You make some really great points. I can attest in an enterprise
environment MacOS is a pain. Lync integration and corporate wireless is
such a challenge. Esp when you need to import MS Certs for AD
authentication. I use Linux at work and so far I can get 90% of my work
done. Anything else I have Win10 in VB.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2016 at 7:07 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:

> I would tend to disagree here.  As a business owner for a few years and a
> full-time linux user for 10+ years, I've really not had any reason still to
> go back.  I do my own accounting and time management with Freshbooks/Xero,
> payroll with Gusto, LibreOffice for all docs, master pdf editor for editing
> pdf's (go figure), Gimp for images, Dialpad for voice/acd/ivr,
> UberConference for audio conferencing/collaboration, and gapps for most
> everything else.
>
> The only things I do in windoze is customers that insist on using crappy
> conferencing like webex/gotomeeting, visio for network/application design
> documents, and that's it.  I call it my visio hypervisor as I usually just
> run vbox windoze in seamless, just pretending windoze isn't there.
>
> Linux is fairly viable for enterprise use imho too, probably more so than
> the idiots that would be forced to use them.  I had a short stint returning
> to an old employer here, where like most, run windoze for everything
> desktop-y, and I ran linux on my laptop there mostly OK.  Worst issues for
> me were generally using pam-mount for automounting windoze dfs shares
> (homedirs, doc dirs, etc), wired/wireless network transition with said
> mounting (kernel freaking out when cifs would disconnect shares), and the
> fact companies still insist on using crappy products like office365 that
> don't work for anything but windoze.  I actually began organizing
> internally other stealth linux users (tampering with the os there was a
> fireable offense, f-em) and documenting howto's in conflucence to function
> in the wild.
>
> Macs in the enterprise were worse.  There I had been in charge of wireless
> for a bit, so I had to test macs and was given one to use as all the new
> management cronies flooding in insisted on them.  Nothing "just worked",
> especially when you start talking AD integration, certs, wireless, etc, and
> macs quickly became the bain of my existence there to support on the
> network.  Apple was useless to support any real enterprise integration as
> well.  I unaffectionately referred to them as shiny speak-n-spells jammed
> into the enterprise world.
>
> Aside from that, Outlook/Lync products were garbage for mac, which M$
> execs themselves told us it would never not suck, as it might create
> competition, otherwise I just used Libre to replace crappy word/excel.
> Every application I needed to function cost something, and usually absurdly
> priced.  I am not used to having to pay for anything having used linux for
> so long, and just nauseated me with a constant up sell.  Top off that their
> hardware is usually older/slower anyways, I really didn't see why people
> like them.  It genuinely frustrated me to use that it just sat in my desk.
>
> So yeah, I call bullocks on the mac for anything other than a status
> symbol, but whatever floats your boat.
>
> -mb
>
>
> On 08/24/2016 05:24 PM, James Dugger wrote:
>
> I switched from Microsoft to Linux on all servers and desktops in my
> former business only to switch the desktops to Apple products from Linux.
> Linux just doesn't have parody in new application implementations on the
> desktop where it mattered.  And I  haven't met a business owner yet who was
> willing to hang out in Linux until someone got around to making it work.
>
>
>
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