Buy one. They last forever. I have been using apple Apple products for many years and they are very stable. Newer ones with SSD are going to be what you want. I've only had to replace a hard drive once back when i had a spindle. Just get a used one that us a year old and you will save a lot if you don't like the price. I recently got rid of my iPhone out of boredom bht I use a Mac pro desktop, 15 inch MacBook pro, and iPad.  All solid. We even have Mac minis in the house.  Those are really cheap and work well if you don't need a laptop.  Jason Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Anon Anon Date: 8/24/16 9:05 AM (GMT-07:00) To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: MacBook I have a MacBook pro I use at work. It's a Mac. It'll work. It's a bastardized bsd box. I haven't turned mine off in months. If you need a Mac, buy it. Why not try running mac os in a virtual box machine to try it out before hand? On Aug 24, 2016 08:54, "Keith Smith" wrote: Hi, I'm strongly considering buying a Macbook pro. I'm a LAMP (PHP) developer.  Currently I use Mint on a Dell.  Both laptop and desktop. I do have a Dell laptop that runs M$ 10.  Was a bad move upgrading from M$7 to M$10... another story for another day. The reason for my desired move is I want something that just works.  I do not have the time nor do I have the expertise to maintain Linux Mint when there is an issue.  For instance Dropbox does not launch correctly. I have a work around, but do not want to have to figure this stuff out.  JoinMe.com does no work completely on my Linux desktop and I need it so I use my Windows laptop.  I can watch but I cannot become the presenter. Moving to Mac is purely a business decision. Up to this point I have bought cheap on sale Dell. I also need Virtualbox because I need to develop using PHP 5.6 and PHP 7. In doing my research I have narrowed my search to the Macbook Pro 13.3 or 15.4 inch models.  I'm leaning towards the 15.4 since it has 16GB of RAM.  I suspect with the SSD drives these Macs have to sing. My shock is the $2000 price tag.  Yikes.  I'm used to cheap dell hardware that I pay $300 to $400 for on sale.  I can see Best Buy is selling the MacBook at a slightly discounted price. If I can be just a little more productive the Mac will pay for itself in no time. The other thing I like about the Pro is it allows for driving two external monitors.  At the resolution the Pro provides that should be a lot of real estate give the laptop monitor makes 3. The only downside I am aware of is with the external monitors the refresh rate drops to 30Hz.  I think someone on this list brought that up and they did not like that low of a refresh rate. I think I would find iMovie and Pages useful.  And I could add an iPhone to the mix and utilize those benefits. If I buy the Mackbook pro 15.4 inch with 16GB of RAM what would be a reasonable life expectancy in a production environment?  What would I be able to reasonably expect working it 12+ hours a day, day in day? Any and every thought is much appreciated. -- Keith Smith --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss