Option to turn it on or off, yes. On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 11:49 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Does your Dell Latitude enable you to turn off secure boot, thereby > being accessible to all Linuces and to custom kernels? > > SteveT > > On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:22:17 -0700 > Stephen Partington wrote: > > > The Dell uefi bios on their latitude series has not given me any > > issue at all with any os. Except OSX, and that is a special > > weirdness. Asus gaming oriented board tend to be (for lack of a > > better word) persnickety. And mostly this was an issue with trying to > > wrangle a dual boot scenario with Windows 10 and they were writing > > over each other in the boot space of the bios. Even when using grub. > > It was strange. But the board I have is one of those prosumer/gamer > > oriented boards so it does not have the simplicity of their > > workstation boards or dell's work oriented hardware. On Apr 19, 2016 > > 11:18 AM, "Michael Butash" wrote: > > > > > I agree here, it is an important factor, but really only to us linux > > > folk. Windoze people remain blissfully ignorant mostly except when > > > dealing with the horrible bioses these days built for uefi. I > > > think diy mobo's will remain safe, but laptops are a wildcard when > > > dealing with non-business class devices. Dell seems good about > > > keeping legacy boot options at least, and keeping some sense of > > > linux friendliness in general (they do have a desktop linux mailing > > > list people respond on). > > > > > > Getting that asus laptop that would "only" do uefi was just painful > > > as I had ass-u-me'd that it *could* be switched to legacy boot, and > > > delayed my usability significantly since forcing me to learn some > > > new method with questionable value. UEFI just seems like another > > > half-way good idea turned terrible by letting microsoft steer and > > > dictate its implementation, as they seemed the only one that cared, > > > and obviously only about the windoze implementation. > > > > > > I'm all for learning something new, but not when the only value is > > > keeping the relevance of windoze on my hardware, which is entirely > > > undesirable. > > > > > > -mb > > > > > > > > > On 04/19/2016 10:34 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > >> On Tue, 19 Apr 2016 10:02:03 -0700 > > >> Wayne D wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> Some day UEFI might be good, but right now you hear too much > > >> about > > >>>> people bricking their mobos via interaction with their OS and the > > >>>> UEFI storage area, or Linux people doing rm -rf only to find out > > >>>> that included the mounted UEFI variable area. > > >>>> > > >>>> And then there's the whole Secure Boot fiasco. No problem if you > > >>>> use a major Linux that's purchased a key from Microsoft, but all > > >>>> bets are off if you compile your own kernel. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> You really know how to pee on a parade... LOL Ya, I'm cringing a > > >>> little over this one. > > >>> > > >> If mobo makers want to force UEFI, or worse, Secure Boot on us, > > >> well, I guess that's their right. But this is such an important > > >> thing, I think that ability to boot MBR and ability to turn off > > >> Secure Boot should be a very prominent spec, right along with > > >> number of memory slots and enumeration of extension slots. > > >> > > >> The fact that you have to find these things out after having the > > >> product shipped to you, and then play the RMA game or just eat > > >> something you don't want, is inexcusable. > > >> > > >> You should contact the manufacturer, and ask it point blank: > > >> > > >> 1) Can you boot to a genuine MBR, and how? > > >> 2) Can you turn off Secure Boot, and how? > > >> > > >> SteveT > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen