As for hosting, have you considered https://www.digitalocean.com/ ? Cheap
and easy to manage.
On Mar 22, 2016 13:07, "Sesso" <sesso@djsesso.com> wrote:

> yeah I worked at godaddy when they had those little boxes. Yes, the
> industry has gone mostly virtual which is understandable. However, there
> are still clients that want actual hardware. I sell just as much hardware
> in my own business as I do Virtual. My day job sells about the same and we
> actually own our own datacenters. The clients that buy hardware are usually
> large companies that can afford it. You are right, many clients don’t need
> it but they want it lol. They are signing 3 year contracts on these servers
> also.
>
>
>
> Jason
>
> > On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Michael Butash <michael@butash.net> wrote:
> >
> > That (simple/dumb customers), and most of their customer base being that
> really *does not need* dedicated services for what they are doing.  It
> doesn't meet their business model, or technology models around that
> business when consumer cores are still 2-4 per cpu, and you're seeing 12-16
> per socket, dual socket, and most can take 192-384gb of ram.
> >
> > TLDR:
> >
> > Most people probably have this delusion that a "dedicated server" is
> just that, a server, but the reality was GD's (and others like them) bare
> metal servers were just generic consumer Shuttle SFF pc boxes on bakers
> racks as far as the eye can see, which meant no IPMI, remote console
> (outside an os), absolutely nothing pluggable aside from usb, and rather a
> pain to deal with provisioning or maintenance-wise.  When someone's system
> died, a kid in a dc got paged out to rip the box apart and troubleshoot
> them, which isn't easy on consumer gear.  They were great when launched in
> ~2004 for cost/power/heat, and up until fairly recent still were, but
> proved ultimately unsustainable as any part that failed required some dc
> tech to perform surgery on a SFF case packed with parts, even raid cards,
> which is simply never fun.  It also ends up costing far too much to
> maintain over time in total opex at scale.
> >
> > Even then providing dedicated hardware was a challenge even looking at
> real (rack) servers then as an evolution, dealing with ipmi quirks,
> securing networking from root-access users locally (harder than one might
> think across various network hardware), that once handed off to the
> customer simply went out the window to keep them from shooting themselves
> in the foot like not backing up their own server or say, doing rm on root,
> or trying to arp poison/mitm the lan around them and drawing security ire.
> >
> > Even if hardware were "dedicated", industry movement is to simply give a
> vm in dedicated hardware, adding a hypervisor shim for control-plane on
> hardware, at very least making inventory, provisioning, maintenance, and
> more importantly, network control at a raw hardware level easy.  It also
> allows providers to bill for usage vs. blanket floodgates, so hey, if you
> want to pay for a whole server of 24 cores and 192gb of ram on a 10g link,
> they'll sell you the cycles/bandwidth for sure, and it'll be about the cost
> of 8 of those shuttles "dedicated" boxes.
> >
> > For GD, they could also get rid of data centers full of odd bakers racks
> and dumpters full of old/odd/non-standard consumer Shuttle hardware,
> finally, to deal with standard rack server form-factor hardware built to
> maintain operationally.
> >
> > VM's for hosting just make sense, anything dedicated will never be
> "cheap" out of pure reality it doesn't make sense to offer 2-4 core
> hardware systems, or maintain them as stand-alone systems.  Why everyone is
> a "cloud" suddenly years ago, GD was just late to the party.
> >
> > -mb
> >
> >
> > On 03/22/2016 11:34 AM, Sesso wrote:
> >> I asked an employee about it and he said, "our clients are too dumb to
> realize that that aren't getting a bare metal server."
> >>
> >> Jason
> >>
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