Thanks Brian. I understand how this forum thing works..... your question gets an answer when people who can answer have the time. A good way to describe the border is a barrel that has had the first scratch of threads being etched into it. then it is cut in half and it is turned into a ring with the flat part being face down. Like this twisted into a ring: ____________________________________ *////////////////////////////////////**////////////////////////////////////* *|* Havens | | | |______________Photography___________| *////////////////////////////////////**////////////////////////////////////* And then I'll put the date that I take the pictures into the middle in a different font and perhaps a different color as well.