okay... thanks for sharing your experiences.

:-)~MIKE~(-:

On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:58 PM, James Mcphee <jmcphe@gmail.com> wrote:

> I prefer standard VIM, which knows how to deal with python formatting.
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Head First Programming says they want us to use an editor/interpreter
>> called IDLE. I'm thinking this is just to make things a little easier
>> (though I do not see how saving a .py text file and typing 'python
>> <program>' into the shell could be any easier). So what do those in the
>> know say?
>>
>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> funny thing.... the python on my system is already python3
>>>
>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Todd Millecam <tyggna@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, you should not worry about it.
>>>>
>>>> My entire career, doing full-out conversions from python 2 to python 3
>>>> I've run into only two problems.
>>>>
>>>> 1)  In python 3, you need to output stuff via a print() as opposed to a
>>>> print "" in python 2
>>>> 2)  python 3 defaults all character encodings to unicode, whereas
>>>> python 2 needed a unicode string specified with a u''
>>>> by python 3.4, they made it so the u'' syntax is ignored and just made
>>>> into a string.
>>>>
>>>> Often, to get python3, it's a package named python3
>>>>
>>>> Also, everything I've seen from the head-first series is basically just
>>>> fluff where the authors care more about hearing themselves talk than they
>>>> do about covering the subject matter.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, getting ipython/bpython installed and just tab-completing
>>>> everything and using the built-in documentation is as good as any textbook,
>>>> but starting out that way is kinda difficult.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do have a concern though; the programs are written in Python3. In
>>>>> 'The Hard Way' the author is very adament about NOT using Python3. Should I
>>>>> worry about that? How would I go about installing Python3 with apt-get?
>>>>> 2.7.6 is what is installed on my system now.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> yea James. thanks. I wish they had a free version but i suppose $50
>>>>>> isn't bad for a text book?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 1:21 PM, James Dugger <james.dugger@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are new to programming look at
>>>>>>> "Head First Programming: A learner 's guide to programming using the
>>>>>>> Python language" by David Griffiths and Paul Barry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Head First books take a different approach to learning.  I gave
>>>>>>> this book to my 10 year old son who used it to learn programming and Python.
>>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2015 12:24 PM, "Michael Havens" <bmike1@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No problem. I am doing it (badly) "... the hard way."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:21 PM, James Mcphee <jmcphe@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> sorry for not responding sooner, michael.  everyone learns in
>>>>>>>>> their own way.  if a course is not for you, I can at least point you at how
>>>>>>>>> I pick up new languages.  what works for me is the old "scratch an itch"
>>>>>>>>> process.  find something that you want to do, and do it with a language.
>>>>>>>>>  start small, maybe checking your email or twitter.  it's a matter of
>>>>>>>>> getting some inertia behind you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Michael Havens <bmike1@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please expand. How would you recommend I go about to learn this
>>>>>>>>>> (not in a formal setting)? I can not afford to take classes and because of
>>>>>>>>>> a head injury doubt I could complete it successfully anyways.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In your list I notice you do not mention learning any programming
>>>>>>>>>> language. Why is that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What do you mean by "OS shell integration"?  Is that saying I
>>>>>>>>>> need to learn BASH as opposed to Python?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "string operations must mean BASH....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> when you say "regular expressions"  is this a good resource here
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.aboutlinux.info/2006/01/learn-how-to-use-regular-expressions.html>?
>>>>>>>>>> Would I use this with BASH or Python or both?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I notice that in http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ there is a
>>>>>>>>>> section that covers using Python with websites so handling and forming
>>>>>>>>>> automated web requests is probably covered in more advanced  Python
>>>>>>>>>> tutorials.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So to sum it up I think I need to learn Python and BASH. Is this
>>>>>>>>>> correct? I also need to learn XML,  JSON  (what do you mean when you say
>>>>>>>>>> "from xml.dom import minidom ; import json") and SQL
>>>>>>>>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For all the pen testing and hacker stuff I went through (7 some
>>>>>>>>>> odd years ago), here's what you'll want to know how to do, in approximate
>>>>>>>>>> order of priority:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> xml and json parsing (from xml.dom import minidom ; import json)
>>>>>>>>>> connecting to and using a database (learn enough SQL to be able
>>>>>>>>>> to navigate around one here too), learning sqlalchemy will be enough to
>>>>>>>>>> land you a job in the field
>>>>>>>>>> OS shell integration (import os)
>>>>>>>>>> string operations
>>>>>>>>>> regular expressions (import re)
>>>>>>>>>> handling and forming automated web requests
>>>>>>>>>>
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