Okay steering committee, why didn't you let her do her presentation? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > That would June 2014. > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Michael Havens wrote: > >> I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered to do >> a presentation? >> When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of doing >> a presentation? >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur >> wrote: >> >>> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG. Topics are >>> good bit please do not deny lack of diversity. >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman >>> wrote: >>> > Hi all, >>> > >>> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used >>> to be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in >>> the group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software >>> licenses that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that >>> presentation than the audience did. I’m not a bit shy about doing >>> presentations, so that helps. :) >>> > >>> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that >>> when I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And >>> some awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that >>> discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a >>> problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG. >>> > >>> > Michelle Lowman >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff wrote: >>> >> >>> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they >>> don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are >>> receiving it. >>> >> >>> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it >>> so that we can do something about it. We _have_ talked about it in >>> meetings, but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing >>> the action might not ever be aware they are doing it. >>> >> >>> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing >>> off his wedding ring as being sexist. However I would point out that if >>> you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he >>> is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds >>> like it's a misunderstanding to me. >>> >> >>> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is >>> therefore the only person that can be talked to. He's also the biggest >>> proponent of womens rights that I personally know. >>> >> >>> >> Brian Cluff >>> >> >>> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: >>> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one >>> particular >>> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of >>> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members >>> there, >>> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from >>> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended. >>> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other >>> members, >>> >>> act arrogant and rude. >>> >>> >>> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying >>> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff >> >>> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there are women, >>> >>> but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole, and is >>> >>> something we would like to change. >>> >>> >>> >>> PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything but an >>> >>> equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know about it >>> >>> immediately. >>> >>> >>> >>> Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated >>> >>> differently the first thing I would have them ask themselves is, >>> was >>> >>> I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling >>> >>> discriminated against. I think you will find that assholes tend to >>> >>> get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender. >>> >>> >>> >>> Brian Cluff >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> hans, >>> >>> >>> >>> I am sorry you cannot take a joke. >>> >>> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter. >>> >>> Accusations of this are quite serious. >>> >>> >>> >>> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment. >>> >>> >>> >>> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------__--------------------- >>> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org >>> >>> >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> > >>> > --------------------------------------------------- >>> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >