That would June 2014. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Michael Havens wrote: > I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered to do a > presentation? > When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of doing a > presentation? > :-)~MIKE~(-: > > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur > wrote: > >> Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG. Topics are >> good bit please do not deny lack of diversity. >> >> On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman >> wrote: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used >> to be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in >> the group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software >> licenses that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that >> presentation than the audience did. I’m not a bit shy about doing >> presentations, so that helps. :) >> > >> > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that when >> I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And some >> awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that >> discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a >> problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG. >> > >> > Michelle Lowman >> > >> > >> > >> >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff wrote: >> >> >> >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they >> don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are >> receiving it. >> >> >> >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it so >> that we can do something about it. We _have_ talked about it in meetings, >> but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing the action >> might not ever be aware they are doing it. >> >> >> >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing >> off his wedding ring as being sexist. However I would point out that if >> you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he >> is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds >> like it's a misunderstanding to me. >> >> >> >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is >> therefore the only person that can be talked to. He's also the biggest >> proponent of womens rights that I personally know. >> >> >> >> Brian Cluff >> >> >> >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: >> >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one >> particular >> >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of >> >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members there, >> >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from >> >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended. >> >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other >> members, >> >>> act arrogant and rude. >> >>> >> >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying >> >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less. >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff > >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there are women, >> >>> but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole, and is >> >>> something we would like to change. >> >>> >> >>> PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything but an >> >>> equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know about it >> >>> immediately. >> >>> >> >>> Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated >> >>> differently the first thing I would have them ask themselves is, >> was >> >>> I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling >> >>> discriminated against. I think you will find that assholes tend to >> >>> get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender. >> >>> >> >>> Brian Cluff >> >>> >> >>> On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: >> >>> >> >>> hans, >> >>> >> >>> I am sorry you cannot take a joke. >> >>> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter. >> >>> Accusations of this are quite serious. >> >>> >> >>> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment. >> >>> >> >>> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ------------------------------__--------------------- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org >> >>> >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >> >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >>> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >