I don't know. But...... when was the last time a woman volunteered to do a presentation? When was the last time a female was denied the responsibilities of doing a presentation? :-)~MIKE~(-: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:17 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > Again, I ask - when was the last female presenter at PLUG. Topics are > good bit please do not deny lack of diversity. > > On Tuesday, December 2, 2014, Michelle Lowman > wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > It has been a long time since I’ve been to a PLUG meeting, but I used to > be pretty active several years ago. I was frequently the only female in the > group, and I did a few presentations, including one on software licenses > that got a bit lively. I’m sure I learned more from that presentation than > the audience did. I’m not a bit shy about doing presentations, so that > helps. :) > > > > I don’t know exactly what things are like now, but I will say that when > I was active, I saw nothing but support from fellow PLUG members. And some > awkwardness, but that’s just how a lot of us are. I’m not saying that > discrimination doesn’t happen because I know how much it sucks to report a > problem and not be believed, but it wasn’t part of my experience with PLUG. > > > > Michelle Lowman > > > > > > > >> On Dec 2, 2014, at 10:55 AM, Brian Cluff wrote: > >> > >> The leadership cares very much but can't do anything about it if they > don't see it occur and they aren't told specifics by the people that are > receiving it. > >> > >> If someone in plug is being sexist to you, we need to know about it so > that we can do something about it. We _have_ talked about it in meetings, > but I find that often times the person that is supposedly doing the action > might not ever be aware they are doing it. > >> > >> Lisa pointed out that someone is feeling like he is purposely showing > off his wedding ring as being sexist. However I would point out that if > you watch the videos that I've taken of Hans that you will notice that he > is Left Handed and if simply pointing with his dominant hand, so it sounds > like it's a misunderstanding to me. > >> > >> He's the only person that I am aware of that has been named and is > therefore the only person that can be talked to. He's also the biggest > proponent of womens rights that I personally know. > >> > >> Brian Cluff > >> > >> On 12/02/2014 09:23 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > >>> I have been laughed at about projects I am working on by one particular > >>> member, mocked, treated like I don't know my stuff, accused of > >>> threatening when that was an out and out lie. There are members there, > >>> Brian who are that way. There are members who are not. Women run from > >>> these meetings. I saw this at the last PLUG I attended. > >>> Maybe that's just the general culture, mock and criticize other > members, > >>> act arrogant and rude. > >>> > >>> There are a few members who are not rude or bias. I'm not saying > >>> everyone is. However, leadership could care less. > >>> > >>> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Brian Cluff >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> It's true, there are a lot more men in PLUG than there are women, > >>> but that's just a reflection of the industry as a whole, and is > >>> something we would like to change. > >>> > >>> PLUG does not tolerate anybody being treated as anything but an > >>> equal. If anyone feels otherwise I would like to know about it > >>> immediately. > >>> > >>> Of course if someone does feel like they are being treated > >>> differently the first thing I would have them ask themselves is, was > >>> I actually being a asshole during the period I was feeling > >>> discriminated against. I think you will find that assholes tend to > >>> get ignored in PLUG and has nothing to do with gender. > >>> > >>> Brian Cluff > >>> > >>> On 12/02/2014 12:33 AM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > >>> > >>> hans, > >>> > >>> I am sorry you cannot take a joke. > >>> Of course, sexual harassment is no joking matter. > >>> Accusations of this are quite serious. > >>> > >>> I never witnessed anything or experienced sexual harassment. > >>> > >>> Gender bias is quite obvious in your LUG. > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------__--------------------- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.__org > >>> > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/__mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >>> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >