I think something else is going on here. Could it be a technical limitation of the PLUG website? I noticed double listing of events. Can't you list this event, 1 time? On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Michael Havens wrote: > What is this bickering? I mean seriously, aren't we all in support of the > advancement of Linux. Lisa's event is there to help people learn the > capabilities of Linux so isn't that good enough reason to include it on > Plug's website? > ______________ > Lisa, > > to me, being someone who has a good relationship with PLUG and Hans, I > feel that your post is offensive, not just to Hans, but to everyone who > considers PLUG to be a positive influence for the greater metro Phoenix > area. > > Can the functioning of PLUG be improved? Of course, like almost > everything. I for my part appreciate the work PLUG (and by extension > Hans) is doing, and given the demands of our individual lives, I believe > it is commendable! > > Regarding your claims of sexual harassment, you might want to consider > its definition (which, as you might now, governs the workplace). I found > this link > http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/sexual_harassment.cfm From the > information I have, it seems unlikely that what you describe would > qualify for sexual harassment! > > I think your post abundantly shows your displeasure with the way things > are, and you don't have to repeat it any more. If you have such a low > opinion of matters relating to PLUG, you always have the options to > either branch out on your own, or find an organization with which you > can have a better relationship. > > I wish you lots of success with the hackfest and other efforts you > undertake, and I hope you are sufficiently motivated by their benefits, > and can accept others making decisions about calendar entries that you > disagree with. > > Walter > > > > On 11/30/2014 08:22 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > Hans/(All), > > PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever > allowed] is > going to have to state the rules under which you are > "dismissing" via > schedule removal a healthy regular popular venue. > > > PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") is going to have to reference when those rules > > were published and when they were delivered to me. > > EVERYONE has > historically had their own website, because PLUG does not > allow: > > 1) > Specific wording in announcements. > 2) Submitting additional announcements > and extensive innovative content. > 3) Presentation postings. > > Examples > of other historic users (in good standing) with their own > websites to > support their presentations and community endeavors include: > > Ryan Rix > > Alan Dayley > Joseph Sinclair > Brian Cluff > Alexander Henry > > The PLUG > (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with > other cities of > comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los > Angeles and > Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG > can be. > > > Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars > each > year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like > Installfest > without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 > rider under > another PLUG to allow income tax relief. > > Here's a long list of past > discussions that echo these limitations and > > issues: > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html > > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html > > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html > > > http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html > > > > The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and > > venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools > > (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct > teacher]) > are obvious. > > The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 > year > successful event like the HackFest is HUGE. > > I have been long > contacted by members active for many years who want > support to backup > recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove > "Presidential > dictatorship") with a long laundry list of reasons from > sexual harassment > (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger > to women as they wait > to speak with him about PLUG matters during > public community events > [which I have experienced twice myself]) to > outright misuse of funding ( > [tee shirts and donations from local > businesses] and PLUG > interns/students raising money for sister project > ABLEConf) as well as > inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa > Community College during > "OpenSource" community venues. > > I have stayed out of escalation of those > issues to other authorities, > but "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users > Group where membership live > in threat of social ostracism and promote via > "inner circle > relationships" (or make decisions like drop a healthy venue > without > written rules or warning) is nothing more than a "GANG" and is > > destined to die. > > 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the > HackFests from > the calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, > why was I not > called or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and > active > interns have been historically very changeable and this could be > > easily arranged at DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck. > > 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more > than > one mailing list with the same content is disallowed? It is not > on any of > the mailing list phxlinux.org > pages? > > 3) And while we are talking about it, > please show me the rules (in any > PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO > PLUG EVENTS on the same day? > Is that because the website php CMS software > won't allow it? [/LAUGH] > > I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready > (which can be released > in the next week) to submit to Google Play and > Apple Store. I will > happily leave the phxlinux.org > > and PLUG name out > of that > code. > > Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on > the > mailing lists. > > Happy ThanksGiving > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at > 1:08 AM, der.hans > > >> wrote: >> Am 29. Nov, > 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so:>> moin moin Lisa,>> I was curious as to why > you have removed the Hackfests (2nd > Saturday of > every month) afrom the > PLUG Calendar?> >> You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You > have your > own web > site and mailing list for your group.> > >> You may > continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop > > cross-posting to multiple lists.>> ciao,>> der.hans> >> Hackfests have been > going strong since 2008 and have students > from ITT and > strong support > from DeVry where instructors provide extra > credit to their > security > students for attendance.>> DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use > (providing it is > actually > used in context with student related open > source activities) > at OneNeck > which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 > server, OpenVPN > server, Security > Onion, Metasploitable and other images > for demonstration > purposes, all of > which has been built entirely with > community contributed > assets and intern > effort. We contribute Kali CD's > for lab demonstration use, > promotional tee > shirts and shared DefCon > videos each year.>> We have a large following of local security > professionals, > with visits from > University of Phoenix, Palo Verde > Nuclear, Department of the > Army and > GoDaddy staff.>> I have received no > notice related to any new requirements or > change?>> I have posted monthly > announcements to the PLUG Announce list > since 2008 > and have never been > notified of any other PLUG requirements?>> Please add this great linux > security lab venue back to the > PLUG Schedule.>> 2nd Saturday of every > month 11:00 - 2:00 PM. > DeVry University>> Thanks> >> -- > # > http://www.LuftHans.com/ > http://www.PhxLinux.org/ > # A Polish friend of > mine got an offer for a free account from > AOL. The > # login ID was > "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" > is like > # a Polish > word for "sucker". 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