Also, Lisa, I will announce it on our LUG page. Would you like for me to set up a meetup also? We have an account and are happy to assist community events! On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > Well, this was an interesting thread. > I would like to chime in here for a moment. > > While I have not experienced unwanted sexually advances by anyone at PLUG > in recent years, I will state there is a gender bias, definitely. > > Some people may not experience this gender bias because, well frankly, we > are unsure of your gender... > > All joking aside, as a community, we really could be a little more > thoughtful, tactful and less like assholes. > > I have a mailing list for the Maricopa Pinal County LUG. > http://list.mpglug.org/mailman/listinfo/mpglug_list.mpglug.org > > Let's make some positive efforts in this community. > > There are alternatives to this situation. > :) > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Lyle Tuttle wrote: > >> Gee Lisa, I'm not sure I understand all of this, but at least it >> written in English!! >> >> At 08:22 AM 11/30/2014, Lisa Kachold wrote: >> >> Hans/(All), >> >> PLUG (aka Hans [since actually no leadership was ever allowed] is going >> to have to state the rules under which you are "dismissing" via schedule >> removal a healthy regular popular venue. >> >> PLUG (aka Hans "Luft")  is going to have to reference when those rules >> were published and when they were delivered to me. >> >> EVERYONE has historically had their own website, because PLUG does not >> allow: >> >> 1) Specific wording in announcements. >> 2) Submitting additional announcements and extensive innovative content. >> 3) Presentation postings. >> >> Examples of other historic users (in good standing) with their own >> websites to support their presentations and community endeavors include: >> >> Ryan Rix >> Alan Dayley >> Joseph Sinclair >> Brian Cluff >> Alexander Henry >> >> The PLUG (lack of structure and rules/guidelines) consistent with other >> cities of comparable sizes (specific examples are Seattle, Los Angeles and >> Portland) has kept the group from becoming all that a LUG can be.  >> >> Older retired penguins have devoted thousands of hours and dollars each >> year purchasing their own equipment for community venues like Installfest >> without anyone in PLUG "leadership" even getting a 501(c)3 rider under >> another PLUG to allow income tax relief. >> >> Here's a long list of past discussions that echo these limitations and >> issues: >> >> >> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20100205.085425.dbace92f.en.html >> >> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20130508.020509.d70d1744.en.html >> >> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20090806.163922.37c4d455.en.html >> >> http://208.77.223.83/lurker/message/20101108.063046.7219d889.en.html >> >> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") limiting announcements and >> venues (like the HackFest) that promote continuing educational schools >> (other than Mesa Community College [where he has been adjunct teacher]) are >> obvious. >> >> The ramifications of PLUG (aka Hans "Luft") "dropping" a 7 year >> successful event like the HackFest is HUGE. >> >> I have been long contacted by members active for many years who want >> support to backup recommendations to disband the PLUG (or remove >> "Presidential dictatorship")  with a long laundry list of reasons from >> sexual harassment (Example: Hans raising his wedding ring clad finger to >> women as they wait to speak with him about PLUG matters during public >> community events [which I have experienced twice myself])  to outright >> misuse of funding ( [tee shirts and donations from local businesses] and >> PLUG interns/students raising money for sister project ABLEConf) as well as >> inappropriate steering to classes at Mesa Community College during >> "OpenSource" community venues. >> >> I have stayed out of escalation of those issues to other authorities, but >> "Silence is DEATH" and a Linux Users Group where membership live in threat >> of social ostracism and promote via "inner circle relationships" (or make >> decisions like drop a healthy venue without written rules or warning) is >> nothing more than a "GANG" and is destined to die. >> >> 1) Please show me the rules under which removal of the HackFests from the >> calendar was made? If there was a scheduling issue, why was I not called >> or allowed to reschedule? Our security community and active interns have >> been historically very changeable and this could be easily arranged at >> DeVry University who also provide a rack at OneNeck. >>   >> 2) Please show me the rules that state posting a discussion to more than >> one mailing list with the same content is disallowed?  It is not on any >> of the mailing list phxlinux.org pages?  >> >> 3) And while we are talking about it, please show me the rules (in any >> PLUG) that state that we can't have TWO PLUG EVENTS on the same day? Is >> that because the website php CMS software won't allow it? [/LAUGH] >> >> I have a HackFest iPhone and Android app ready (which can be released in >> the next week) to submit to Google Play and Apple Store. I will happily >> leave the phxlinux.org and PLUG name out of that code. >> >> Thanks for "allowing me" to continue to announce the HackFests on the >> mailing lists.  >> >> Happy ThanksGiving >> >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:08 AM, der.hans wrote: >> >> Am 29. Nov, 2014 schwätzte Lisa Kachold so: >> >> moin moin Lisa, >> >> I was curious as to why you have removed the Hackfests (2nd Saturday of >> every month) afrom the PLUG Calendar? >> >> >> You've been acting as a seperate group for years. You have your own web >> site and mailing list for your group. >> >>  >> >> You may continue announcing your events on the list, but please stop >> cross-posting to multiple lists. >> >> ciao, >> >> der.hans >> >> >> Hackfests have been going strong since 2008 and have students from ITT >> and >> strong support from DeVry where instructors provide extra credit to their >> security students for attendance. >> >> DeVry University provides a rack for PLUG use (providing it is actually >> used in context with student related open source activities) at OneNeck >> which is populated with a VMWare ESXi 5.5 server, OpenVPN server, Security >> Onion, Metasploitable and other images for demonstration purposes, all of >> which has been built entirely with community contributed assets and intern >> effort. We contribute Kali CD's for lab demonstration use, promotional >> tee >> shirts and shared DefCon videos each year. >> >> We have a large following of local security professionals, with visits >> from >> University of Phoenix, Palo Verde Nuclear, Department of the Army and >> GoDaddy staff. >> >> I have received no notice related to any new requirements or change? >> >> I have posted monthly announcements to the PLUG Announce list since 2008 >> and have never been notified of any other PLUG requirements? >> >> Please add this great linux security lab venue back to the PLUG Schedule. >> >> 2nd Saturday of every month 11:00 - 2:00 PM. >> DeVry University >> >> Thanks >> >> >> -- >> # http://www.LuftHans.com/    http://www.PhxLinux.org/ >> >> # A Polish friend of mine got an offer for a free account from AOL. The >> # login ID was "HELLO" and the passwd "CYMBAL". She says "cymbal" is >> like >> # a Polish word for "sucker". 'Hello sucker', a greeting from AOHell :). >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >