http://zgp.org/pipermail/linux-elitists/2004-February/009575.html Check out this thread on Debian from 10yrs ago. On Friday, July 25, 2014, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: > So, I am what some people have been calling "old School". I started out > when Potato was released. That was about 15 years ago. I used it for > porting, testing and in fact, used to do testing or unstable just to help > me understand more and test stuff out. > > Wow, a week of fallout is intense. > > Personally, I like using the CLI. It saves time, resources, and such. > Ubuntu has some nice features but I definitely am not drinking the > Canonical Kool Aid. > What I really liked to do back in the day is port stuff to Debian because > a lot of companies were doing it for RH and didn't care about Debian. > Another thing I liked to do is test out hardware - this card, this module. > > The truth is Debian is free software and that philosophy was one I agree > with. I had a fully free machine when I attended college. I finished my > degree with no proprietary software whatsoever for my undergrad. Also, > everyone I knew was using Debian, Richard Stallman, Emmett Plant, Don > Marti. Of course, these are the Masters and I, alas, just a Journeyer (well > on Advogato, that is). > > Debian is kick ass for learning how things work, getting things to work, > but, does take time and devotion, right. > At least I can stand by a community effort and not some proprietary > commercial entity. > I'm not saying Canonical hasn't done some good things. Sure. I just don't > like Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Hannah Montana Buntu... > > Also, I prefer Raspbian on my Banana Pi. No Ubuntu there. > So, I know everyone has their own likes. > For example, I really did like Knoppix. It's a solid tool. Ubuntu would > never let me know "why" something is throwing an error. It just throws it. > > What I think - Debian has been and always will be my friend ;) > > Of course, you could ask 100 people and 100 different opinions may be had. > I'm not saying mine is right at all. Debian is right for me. I try other > distros. In fact, I'm going to try Arch on my banana out of curiosity. > > I have tried Mint. MInt is nice. It all depends on what you want to do > also. > I suppose as far as community is concerned, if you drink the Canonical > Kool Aid, you can hang with that crowd. > If you like Dead Rat, you can hang your hat, > If you like Debian... well, let's just say, it's a different portion of > the community. :) > > Come into the light, Michael!!! :) > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Michael Butash > wrote: > >> Ahh, debian lurkers! >> >> Just out of curiosity, not to hijack the thread, but don't find a lot of >> pure debian users... what train of debian are you and/or most people using >> for desktop, if not just servers? Curious what others are using if not the >> usual ubuntu flavors of deb, or raw debian even. >> >> Ubuntu's become mostly a basketcase where I spend as much time removing, >> disabling, fixing, or hunting bugs in literally everything I do that I felt >> it's time to move on. I can't remember the last time I upgraded clean >> without spending a week with fallout. Wait, yes I can - about the time >> Unity replaced things, and they did away with debian installer. >> Whodathunkit. >> >> Figure go to the source, but debian has been an adventure in itself. I >> used cinnamon debian mint on my laptop with a haswell chip, and the >> graphics are buggy with anything that attempts to use GL. Go figure, Intel >> is always a winner here. >> >> I used Mate-based debian mint on my desktop, which is apparently an >> adventure with new hardware on a z97 chip, 2nd gen haswell, and my trusty >> ATI card which sadly I still cannot replace with an nvidia to drive my 6 >> displays. Couldn't upgrade to 3.15 with z97 patches (damn ati), settled on >> a 3.11, and tossed in a usb sound card for now until ati wakes up and >> updates the driver for 3.15 with alsa fixes. >> >> I thought to go pure debian, but was hoping mint debian would prove a bit >> better. Admittedly, once working it's been fairly good, but lots of weird >> bugs/caveats too - just wondering what the consensus is around it. >> >> -mb >> >> >> On 07/25/2014 03:25 PM, Kaoru Wilbur wrote: >> >>> Yeah, I think I have a SuSe disk from like 2001. I did make some money >>> on that Novell stock when they bought SuSe. The road trip thing sounds >>> interesting to me. I want to see what they have to say... I'm not expecting >>> anything amazing, and I am Debian dedicated but am open to seeing what else >>> is going on. >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > >