Ted may be right about where the growth market is. Especially if he primarily considers the 15-35 year groups. On the other hand, there are hundreds of millions of current users with history of using a desktop and people who want/need bigger displays who detest the who "Let's make everything work like a tablet" concept. I have a tablet and a smartphone and I appreciate how they work. But I and most of the people I know (in 4 computer clubs) want our big screens to remain highly usable and that will never be with a touch interface. Case in point: Global menu on a screen with multiple visible windows is just plain stupid. Global menu is fine as long as I can turn it off. I used to hate unity, but now I miss it when I don't have it. That said, I hate the number of configurable things we are losing to the "growth market". I work with a lot of elderly people and most of them do not want to learn tablet and touch interfaces. I am having a lot of success with Linux for people who absolutely do not want Windows 8. Linux is much easier for them. Until I have to explain global menu. So I end up using other desktops for almost all of them. On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:05 AM, Stephen wrote: > Part of Ubuntu's Success is making Linux something anyone can use without > having to invest in getting over such a steep learning curve. Well done > there. Part of what Draws us to Linux is we can do what we want with it. We > mold the experience to our desires. Ubuntu is becoming a pretty solid > gateway for people that would never have considered Linux before to now > realize it is powerful, useable, and professional. > > And yes there is some sacrifice for it. It is loaded in a hey you can use > this right now and we think its awesome. this allows for a common interface > to enhance documentation and support, which is where ubuntu makes a > majority of its money (which i personally applaud). > > Is it the best distro ever, no. does it do what I want and how i want it. > mostly. But even with the unified presence delivered by ubuntu I can still > chose to do things my way. > > I have yet to find a perfect home distro, I really do not think i will. to > be honest aside from where some config files are, and package management > they are all so similar its nutty to consider how may distros there are > that are simply variations of a root distro. > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Kevin Fries wrote: > >> I'm with you Paul. I have been feeling less and less in control of my >> desktop o er the past few years. If I wanted to be told what was "good" >> for me why would I not be using Windows or Mac? Lately I have been using >> Arch and begun remembering why it was I liked Linux to start with. I >> think I found a new "distro-home" at least for a little while. >> >> Kevin >> On Jul 30, 2013 11:29 AM, "Paul Mooring" wrote: >> >>> In my case Unity was more like the straw that broke the camel's back. >>> I don't particularly care for any of the changes Ubuntu made and have >>> never liked debian packaging. I could maybe put up with upstart or unity >>> or the frequent broken upgrade cycle on their own, but once unity launched >>> and it was one more thing to hack around I had reached the point of wanting >>> to just find greener pastures. >>> >>> That being said, you're right just switching distros for the desktop >>> environment wouldn't make a whole lot of since, but things like apt (and >>> it's overly opinionated packages) and upstart are too integral to the OS to >>> make using alternatives not a huge pain. >>> >>> >>> Paul Mooring >>> Operations Engineer >>> www.opscode.com >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org < >>> plug-discuss-bounces@lists.phxlinux.org> on behalf of Stephen < >>> cryptworks@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:26 AM >>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>> *Subject:* Re: @@@ Pre-order your UBUNTU EDGE convergence phone today >>> :) @@@ >>> >>> I find it weird that people will drop a distribution because of unit. >>> I dislike it, but it is so easy to flip to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, TWM, whatever >>> that the overall hardware compatibility i get with an Ubuntu install >>> combined with the ease of use apt management system and the huge supply of >>> goodies in the repo far outweigh unity. besides, I'm pretty sure the >>> default desktop experience will be configurable because Linux is cool like >>> that. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: >>> >>>> I think that's how a lot of people feel, I disliked unity enough to >>>> finally switch distros and haven't looked back since. That being said, >>>> if >>>> canonical can actually deliver on the dream of dropping my phone into a >>>> dock and having a full Linux desktop and then just pulling it out and >>>> taking it with me when I'm done, I'll put up with Unity without any >>>> complaints at all. >>>> -- >>>> Paul Mooring >>>> Operations Engineer >>>> >>>> www.opscode.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7/29/13 6:17 PM, "Michael Butash" wrote: >>>> >>>> >I agree, I bought in on one - I really hope they come though. I'm >>>> super >>>> >stoked for this... >>>> > >>>> >I've tried with android phones running linux atop their kernel, but ui >>>> >is always a bit clunky/unusable (unity just simply never worked). I'm >>>> >keen to see just how functional they or I can make the desktop >>>> >experience, as normally first thing I do is disable unity with ubuntu. >>>> > >>>> >Need a local hackfest if/when these come through. >>>> > >>>> >-mb >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >On 07/26/2013 11:18 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: >>>> >> Keep in mind what they are shooting for is convergence, a multi-core >>>> >> processor with 4GB(+?) of RAM that acts as the "brain" of your >>>> desktop >>>> >> computer. At $725 people would call this a steal as an ultra-light >>>> >> laptop, combine that with a carrier like T-mobile that allows you to >>>> not >>>> >> pay for a phone if you don't get one and that's a whole lot of value >>>> for >>>> >> less than $1k. >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Paul Mooring >>>> >> Operations Engineer >>>> >> >>>> >--------------------------------------------------- >>>> >PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> >To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> >http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from >>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. >>> >>> Stephen >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >>> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. > > Stephen > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. 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