Sam! One of my favorite people! On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Sam Kreimeyer wrote: > Lisa, I've been trying to make that point for a long time. Power is > ultimately only what you believe it is. The NSA (a fictional abstraction of > self-responsible individuals), is only as powerful as people's belief in > its authority and willingness to act on those beliefs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs > This video provides a nice graphical representation of the reality of the > situation. > I LOVE THIS! > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Eric Cope wrote: > >> seems on topic to this off topic discussion... >> >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:01 PM, keith smith wrote: >> >>> >>> Just say no to FEEMA! If you say no to ObamaCare it will cost you some >>> tax dollars (fine). If you say no to gun control you might go to jail. >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Keith Smith >>> >>> --- On *Tue, 7/2/13, skreimey@gmail.com * wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: skreimey@gmail.com >>> Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? >>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >>> Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 8:55 AM >>> >>> Writing my reps didn't accomplish much during TARP. Finding ways to not >>> participate in or support policies you oppose in your daily life is >>> probably the most effective form of activism. >>> >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone >>> >>> >>> ----- Reply message ----- >>> From: "keith smith" >>> To: "Ken" , "Main PLUG discussion list" < >>> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> >>> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? >>> Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 5:01 PM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I would vet them first. You can always call, email, or fax your us rep >>> and us senators. >>> >>> This looks like a Gov site. If it is I'd stay away. >>> >>> ------------------------ >>> Keith Smith >>> >>> --- On *Mon, 7/1/13, Ken * wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: Ken >>> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? >>> To: "plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" >>> Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 1:17 PM >>> >>> Are these online petitions worth signing? Or is it just a way to get >>> your email addy on more spam lists? >>> >>> >>> -K >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> *From:* Change.org >>> *To:* parabellum7@yahoo.com >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2013 9:39 AM >>> *Subject:* Secret spying on your Internet activity? >>> >>> [image: Change.org] >>> *Ken* - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org, >>> and we think you might be interested in signing it: >>> Eric >>> Holder: Allow tech companies to publish NSA PRISM data >>> By Alec F. Alameda, California >>> Sign Alec's Petition >>> >>> After a leak of documents from the National Security Agency >>> showed that a secret program called PRISM allows widespread surveillance of >>> U.S. citizens' phone and internet activities with some of the world's >>> biggest tech corporations, the nation is concerned and confused about our >>> privacy rights. >>> President Obama and the NSA have stated that widespread spying of >>> Americans is not taking place and that the government is only requesting >>> certain data from these companies. There is an easy way to show if this is >>> true and that companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter have >>> taken the commendable step of requesting that the NSA allow them to publish >>> the records of government data requests in their company transparency >>> reports. >>> In part, Google's letter states: >>> *Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives >>> the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. >>> However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA >>> national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of >>> accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.* >>> * >>> We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in >>> our Transparency Report aggregate >>> numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms >>> of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would >>> clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the >>> claims being made. Google has nothing to hide. * >>> The government allowed Google to start reporting the number of national >>> security letters they received requesting data earlier this year, but >>> they are still barred from releasing information about Foreign Intelligence >>> Surveillance Act (FISA) orders. The requests for this data often comes in >>> the form of secret court orders that not only force these companies to give >>> data but also make it impossible for them to discuss even the basic >>> details. That should change. >>> By allowing these companies to include this information in their >>> transparency reports, the government will be giving American citizens at >>> least some of the insight we deserve about how our daily activities like >>> emails and Google searches are being tracked by the government. >>> Sign Alec's Petition >>> >>> The person (or organization) who started this petition is >>> not affiliated with Change.org. Change.org did not create this petition and >>> is not responsible for the petition content. >>> This email was sent by Change.org to parabellum7@yahoo.com. 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