Lisa, I've been trying to make that point for a long time. Power is ultimately only what you believe it is. The NSA (a fictional abstraction of self-responsible individuals), is only as powerful as people's belief in its authority and willingness to act on those beliefs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs This video provides a nice graphical representation of the reality of the situation. On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Eric Cope wrote: > seems on topic to this off topic discussion... > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/text-of-a-july-2-2013-letter-to-edward-snowden-from-his-father-and-fathers-attorney/2013/07/02/e62ff87e-e350-11e2-bffd-37a36ddab820_story.html > > Eric > > > On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:01 PM, keith smith wrote: > >> >> Just say no to FEEMA! If you say no to ObamaCare it will cost you some >> tax dollars (fine). If you say no to gun control you might go to jail. >> >> ------------------------ >> Keith Smith >> >> --- On *Tue, 7/2/13, skreimey@gmail.com * wrote: >> >> >> From: skreimey@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >> Date: Tuesday, July 2, 2013, 8:55 AM >> >> Writing my reps didn't accomplish much during TARP. Finding ways to not >> participate in or support policies you oppose in your daily life is >> probably the most effective form of activism. >> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone >> >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "keith smith" >> To: "Ken" , "Main PLUG discussion list" < >> plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> >> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? >> Date: Mon, Jul 1, 2013 5:01 PM >> >> >> >> >> I would vet them first. You can always call, email, or fax your us rep >> and us senators. >> >> This looks like a Gov site. If it is I'd stay away. >> >> ------------------------ >> Keith Smith >> >> --- On *Mon, 7/1/13, Ken * wrote: >> >> >> From: Ken >> Subject: OT: Secret spying on your Internet activity? >> To: "plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org" >> Date: Monday, July 1, 2013, 1:17 PM >> >> Are these online petitions worth signing? Or is it just a way to get your >> email addy on more spam lists? >> >> >> -K >> >> >> >> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >> *From:* Change.org >> *To:* parabellum7@yahoo.com >> *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2013 9:39 AM >> *Subject:* Secret spying on your Internet activity? >> >> [image: Change.org] >> *Ken* - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org, >> and we think you might be interested in signing it: >> Eric >> Holder: Allow tech companies to publish NSA PRISM data >> By Alec F. Alameda, California >> Sign Alec's Petition >> >> After a leak of documents from the National Security Agency >> showed that a secret program called PRISM allows widespread surveillance of >> U.S. citizens' phone and internet activities with some of the world's >> biggest tech corporations, the nation is concerned and confused about our >> privacy rights. >> President Obama and the NSA have stated that widespread spying of >> Americans is not taking place and that the government is only requesting >> certain data from these companies. There is an easy way to show if this is >> true and that companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter have >> taken the commendable step of requesting that the NSA allow them to publish >> the records of government data requests in their company transparency >> reports. >> In part, Google's letter states: >> *Assertions in the press that our compliance with these requests gives >> the U.S. government unfettered access to our users’ data are simply untrue. >> However, government nondisclosure obligations regarding the number of FISA >> national security requests that Google receives, as well as the number of >> accounts covered by those requests, fuel that speculation.* >> * >> We therefore ask you to help make it possible for Google to publish in >> our Transparency Report aggregate >> numbers of national security requests, including FISA disclosures—in terms >> of both the number we receive and their scope. Google’s numbers would >> clearly show that our compliance with these requests falls far short of the >> claims being made. Google has nothing to hide. * >> The government allowed Google to start reporting the number of national >> security letters they received requesting data earlier this year, but >> they are still barred from releasing information about Foreign Intelligence >> Surveillance Act (FISA) orders. The requests for this data often comes in >> the form of secret court orders that not only force these companies to give >> data but also make it impossible for them to discuss even the basic >> details. That should change. >> By allowing these companies to include this information in their >> transparency reports, the government will be giving American citizens at >> least some of the insight we deserve about how our daily activities like >> emails and Google searches are being tracked by the government. >> Sign Alec's Petition >> >> The person (or organization) who started this petition is >> not affiliated with Change.org. Change.org did not create this petition and >> is not responsible for the petition content. >> This email was sent by Change.org to parabellum7@yahoo.com. 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