OMG Paul, On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 9:19 AM, Paul Mooring wrote: > Matt, > > There couldn't be a saner point to add to this conversation. I'm > frequently surprised at how even people who understand computers and > networking treat security as some sort of dark magic. If you have a fully > patched Linux desktop with no externally listening services, no one (not > even the NSA) can get in without going to extreme lengths. Wait, let me send you a PDF file; since you are sure to be running a browser from her, or better yet, point you to a nice javascript plugin, like BEef? > People are so frightened by the PRISM controversy that they aren't > acknowledging that it's great insight into how the government really does > gather data, they ask for it while holding a really big gun. There was no > crazy backdoors or complex exploits involved, they just told companies that > had data to give it to them and the companies complied. The lesson we > should be learning from this is that data you put on the Internet is not > private, ever. > Well said Paul. It reminds me of the quote "A completely secure server is one buried in concrete 30 feet down." Hopefully, that is including all TCP/IP services because the linux kernel can be trivially fuzzed. Even with encryption and pgp keys (all forms of encryptionhave been broken) all our information is available. Even on our internal networks, our SSH and HTTPS sessions are easy hijack and intercept without VPN/VLAN (and someone even with). > > Paul Mooring > Operations Engineer > www.opscode.com > > Also see my comments below: > > > From: Lisa Kachold > > It's trivial to send you a PDF or Javascript Browser Exploitation BEef > > hook and walk through your systems > > How do NoScript and using evince/kpdf instead of Acrobrat Reader affect > those > trivial exploits? > Noscript stops the BEef from hooking. You open a PDF with exploits or shellcode and your still owned. > > > agents that can be delivered via email (Kaseya or LivePerson) and J2EE > > exploits that can be launched easily = opening you wide. > > Of course, if you're using a mail client that executes things found in > attachments, you'll get pwn3d quickly. Are there any mail clients that do > those things in this day and age? > Microsoft Outlook is the only one I can think of, other than the versions in Blackberry phones made to use the same type of email "view panes". > I thought they'd even partially fixed > Not completely! > Outhouse in that respect. J2EE? Who has all the components of J2EE > installed > (besides Java developers)? In the last 5 years, I've seen exactly 2 Java > applets in the wild. Client-side Java is *uncommon* in the modern WWW > AFAICT; > the things people used to use Java for have been taken over by Flash/JS. > That's due to browser security = but you can still easily GET a J2EE virus/infection (in all manner of ways from Win7 to SAP to linux/Mac). > > > Surveillance technology continues from all your expenditures, all your > > travel (license plate readers), and your phone behaviors, and can include > > remote viewing (without camera technology you would recognize). > > I can see how it'd be easy to track credit card transactions (bank records) > and car movements (via traffic cameras). Could you explain "remote viewing > without camera technology" more clearly? > It's a common tool that allows military to see inside of buildings. ARGUS uses it: http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/pretty-soon-drones-will-be-able-to-see-inside-your-bedroom > > -- > Matt G / Dances With Crows > The Crow202 Blog: http://crow202.org/wordpress/ > There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown