yes there is, Unplug your machine form the internet. On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > Keith, > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 7:28 PM, keith smith wrote: > >> >> Are you saying a move to Linux is of no use? No firewalls to keep them >> out? >> > > Well, the NSA has access to: > > 0) Data tracking that allows them to: > fingerprint your layer 7 applications > fingerprint your layer 1-3 applications > > > Large databases provide all manner of cross-checks on your "habits": > > Encryption(s) are mostly broken, so they can access any data they collect. > > Akamai caching provides a great deal of information that can also be > cross-checked to provide more complete data from bank data and other high > level authentication to ensure that you are who they think you are. > > NSA has various taps in place around the world that show source and > destination and/or cookies. > > 1) Encroachment to most individuals or small business via OSI layer: > > Layer 1 up: > It's trivial to own/tap (without a Warrant) your DSL (cable) or ADSL > (Century 21) -- then on to your router (DD-WRT, Netgear, Cisco, Asus) - > quickly. > > Layer 7 down: > It's trivial to send you a PDF or Javascript Browser Exploitation BEef > hook and walk through your systems (similar to Logmein or Hamachi). There > are agents that can be delivered via email (Kaseya or LivePerson) and J2EE > exploits that can be launched easily = opening you wide. > > Believe me, in this day and age, there is NO AWAY and no keeping THEM OUT. > > 2) Survellience technology continues from all your expenditures, all your > travel (license plate readers), and your phone behaviors, and can include > remote viewing (without camera technology you would recognize). > > But sure. Go ahead and keep them out, I dare you! > >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Keith Smith >> >> --- On *Mon, 6/24/13, Lisa Kachold * wrote: >> >> >> From: Lisa Kachold >> Subject: Re: Times to move to Linux >> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >> Date: Monday, June 24, 2013, 6:45 PM >> >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> On Mon, Jun 24, 2013 at 5:21 PM, kitepilot@kitepilot.com >> >wrote: >> >> I don't question the need to move to Linux and I don't doubt that the guv >> spies on us, but this article sounds pretty lame... >> My opinion. >> We all know about opinions... >> ET >> >> >> keith smith writes: >> >> >> I think it is time to move everything to Linux. According to this >> article the NSA has had a backdoor to Windows since 95. >> http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/**nsa-has-total-access-via-** >> microsoft-windows/ >> I seem to recall Ubuntu had/has some sort of backdoor also. >> >> >> ------------------------ >> Keith Smith >> >> ------------------------------**--------------------- >> >> >> >> The NSA has backdoors into everything with a variety of technologies. >> Believe it, nothing is sacred, if they want to know all about you, there >> are a great many "doors". >> >> >> >> -- >> >> (503) 754-4452 Android >> (623) 239-3392 Skype >> (623) 688-3392 Google Voice >> ** >> it-clowns.com >> Chief Clown >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > > -- > > (503) 754-4452 Android > (623) 239-3392 Skype > (623) 688-3392 Google Voice > ** > it-clowns.com > Chief Clown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will prevent you from rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the snooze button. Stephen