Good Points ALL Thanks On 17 May 2013 07:18, "Richard Daggett" wrote: > "What do you think? Is the adage "There is NO substitute for experience" > correct or can anyone using standard process (as opposed to documented > process) and NIX command line skills (yet bringing no experience) get to > the finish line at the same time?" > > Some times yes, but when some thing goes wrong experience will when every > time. Pilots go through wind-shear training, but new pilots still crash > when it happens. An experienced pilot will see it early and react > correctly to the environment. Reading process documents can only give you > some of the knowledge, last part is actually doing it. > > Richard > > > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:03 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > >> Across the board, the number 1 worst attribute that I see working with >> the PLUG, technology teams, and mentoring (at or around year 3 in >> academics, and year 3 - 10 in IT/linux professionalism) = arrogance. >> >> What exactly is arrogance anyway. Where is this found? Why? >> >> It's the place in the discussion where one person dominates assuming that >> their position or knowledge is greater (without investigation). This is >> also referred to as "OneUpManShip". >> It's the place in the presentation where students and PLUG peers write >> off the person who has taken on the role to "present on the subject" based >> on their ability to verbally spiel acronyms. This is referred to >> "Minimizing". >> It's the place in the team dissemination of project roles and tasks where >> a member's enthusiasm is downplayed based on experience. This is referred >> to "Dues Hierarchy". >> This is the place in the interview where the employer fails to realize >> all they need to do is very the work history, since everything for a Linux >> professional is motivated by and driven from an ethical systems >> administrator viewpoint (not any communications with or responsibilities >> disseminated from the employer); just as we are woken from sleep to work on >> or check systems; and jazzed beyond belief by a well engineered hardware >> server like IBM Blade (can you say Fiber channel switched backplane?)... >> >> There are a great many examples where an ego based emotional assumption >> of or judgement is placed on our peers, our work, and even ourselves at one >> point or another. >> >> The ability to understand linux systems requires a certain type of >> systemic theory; which can be daunting for some people; such systems >> integration can be hard to troubleshoot [and successfully negotiate within] >> without inherent abilities but can be done with a great deal of complex >> experience, however this is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. So the people who do well >> at what we do, are usually those that find that they inherently find this >> easy. >> >> It is, however, far from easy, since most of us work long hours, without >> adequate physical exercise and balanced stress free environments. The sheer >> amount of responsibility and ultimate reliance in all shops on the unique >> abilities of the Unix/Linux systems administrator are daunting to most once >> they get a full view. >> >> However, we each learn standard process applied across the OSI stack >> and/or fed through the kernel/memory/processor for systems or DevOps >> applications performance and integration, security or troubleshooting. >> >> Standard process, which includes a few easy to learn rules, relies on >> logs and linux tools, completely supplants any experience, past systems >> history knowledge (available on/in the server), most visio documentation or >> RunBooks (which should not exist unless something cannot be known by server >> view alone). >> >> Ironically, to people who are not linux-ish, the statement that "The >> Server IS the documentation" seems incredibly arrogant, when in fact, it >> simplifies all the arrogant posturing and 7 deadly sin based profit from >> the misunderstanding of unix/linux administration and engineering. >> >> We all intimately understand the concept of "obnosis" or Knowledge by >> Observation - rather than what is imparted via formal rote learning and >> scholastic pursuit. >> >> What do you think? Is the adage "There is NO substitute for experience" >> correct or can anyone using standard process (as opposed to documented >> process) and NIX command line skills (yet bringing no experience) get to >> the finish line at the same time? >> >> http://wiki.obnosis.com >> -- >> >> (503) 754-4452 Android >> (623) 239-3392 Skype >> (623) 688-3392 Google Voice >> ** >> it-clowns.com >> Chief Clown >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >