Jill,

On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:00 PM, jill <lists@bespokess.com> wrote:

>
>
> O
> n 2013-05-09 08:35, Lisa Kachold wrote:
> > Hans,
> >
> > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 10:14 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Am 07. May, 2013 schwätzte keith smith so:
> > >
> > > moin moin,
> > >
> > >
> > >  I'd like to thank all those who make PLUG possible.  I know you have
> put
> > >> in a lot of effort to keep PLUG alive over the years.  I think I have
> been
> > >> on the list for maybe 14 years.  1999???  I've enjoyed all the help
> and
> > >> guidance I have received from the list members.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you all!!
> > >>
> > >
> > > Having a community that is useful and valuable is the main thing I get
> out
> > > of PLUG. It's good to get confirmation that it is useful and valuable
> to
> > > others.
> > >
> > > Thank you for the thank you :).
> > >
> >
> > I have had a difficult experience trying to speak with one of the main
> PLUG
> > resources for about the last 3 years.
> >
> > Over the years now, when I approach him at any of the public venues. he
> > holds up his left ring finger in full view of other members, at me from
> > across the room, as a way to say "He's Married".  This has consistently
> > happened in front of other women in PLUG like Jill and Kaia (even at
> SCALE
>
>
> Having been called out by name, all I can really say is I have no idea
> what you're talking about, Lisa.  While I don't discount what you may have
> experienced, I've never witnessed anything like what you described.  As
> such I can not support your story.  If there is an individual who you feel
> is singling you out as a female though, I'd be happy to help mediate the
> issue, off-list.
>

I was not referring to you Jill.  Have we ever been to SCALE together?

>
> I have no problems with anyone in PLUG.  Hopefully all who know me know
> that I like all y'all, and think you're a great bunch.  And be sure I'll
> let you know with loud and clear snark and sarcasm if that ever changes!  :)
>
> - Jill
>
>
> > with a large room full of my peers).  I have never interacted personally
> in
> > any dating way with this member.  Others agreed that they consider it not
> > only rude, but sexist, and something that would be appalling to Linus and
> > Open Source gurus of my age, as well as long term friends like Chris
> DeBona
> > (Google), Randal Schwartz, and others like Carla Schroder (OReilly), Greg
> > KH (Linux Foundation).  Additionally, my calls were not answered and my
> > email were ignored.
> >
> > When I first started the Hackfests, I had a very difficult time finding a
> > venue where networking and other resources allowed the type of Lab we
> > wanted to do.  I was "ordered" not to move the Hackfest.   That was not
> > similar to Linus' Benevelant Leadership model which I was accustomed in
> > Oregon!   I ignored it, as Carla and others recommended and continued to
> > stay in the solution building a viable group and finding a good home for
> > those who wanted such a lab.
> >
> > What would you have recommended I do?  What steps would you expect any
> > group voting on status or censure of such a member or officer?
> >
> > >
>

Thanks
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