Take my Money...  I do not understand people who fight for big Gov. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal wrote: From: Bryan O'Neal Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 11:53 PM Or - god forbid - use a cart provider that hooks directly into people like Outright who does all of your accounting for you automatically! That is something they are working on. So is intuit. So are a number of hosting providers. I would not be surprised if godaddy, hostgator, rackspace, shopify, etc. all have this fixed and part of their standard offering inside six months after it is law. So if some states (like california) hit you with a notice you will have to upload your CSV file to there tax calculator separately. Up your prices by the max tax you anticipate after receiving notice and pocket the difference  If you customers turn to brick and mortar or companies who are not collecting tax well, I again question what you are doing. Brick and mortar usually has higher overhead, and the legal risk will likely shut down the other sites soon enough... On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:06 PM, George Toft wrote: What if . . . . . . this bill (if it becomes a law) forces people to sell on Amazon?  I sell on Amazon and I let them take care of the sales taxes.  I hate the commission, but that's the price I pay for leveraging Amazon's market presence and taking care of the administrivia for me.  The end result is I sell all over the country and Amazon takes care of the state sales taxes. I see this bill as an end to the small-timer and a shot in the arm for the big companies. As far as filling out the forms and reporting goes - I found filling out just one form (for AZ) a PITA and stopped selling locally.  I can't imagine doing it for 9600 (ebay's count) municipalities. Regards, George Toft On 5/7/2013 6:16 PM, keith smith wrote: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s743es/pdf/BILLS-113s743es.pdf Yes, it requires taxes be paid to the state, however it does speak of rate changes at the local level.  It is a poorly written bill and it leaves the merchant in a position of needing to comply at the actual jurisdiction level.  In other words it will require collecting differing tax rates within a state based on location and the local taxing authority.  There will be compliance issue.  If you have ever collected sales tax you can get the jest of it, however on a much grander level. The bill talks about software.  What language?  What OS?  What if I have everything in PHP on the web and I only run Linux or Apple and the software is compiled to run on M$ only?  How to I interface this with my shopping cart? Basically this is a bill written by people who have never been in business and who could care less about us in the trenches. For me this is a substantial issue that could cause me to lose a client that could very well sell off because compliance is going to be a nightmare. Read the bill, it is very vague and leave everything to the states.  I see 50 different sets of compliance.  I see the requirement to have a tax license in every state.  Even if they only charge $30 for a license that is $1500 and what about all the time to contact each state, and complete all the docs they require.  Yikes.  It could take weeks just to acquire all the licenses.   Then what about all the reporting on a monthly basis.  This will be a huge burden. Please read the bill and assure me I am wrong, because I want to be wrong in this area.  ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/7/13, Dazed_75 wrote: From: Dazed_75 Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 5:11 PM I am reasonably sure this is only at the state level.  Has anyone actually read it to verify is local is included somewhere? On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 4:23 PM, keith smith wrote: I assume form what I am reading that one will have to have a sales license in each state and collect sales tax based on local and report that to the state and give the money to the state.  They state would then disburse the money. I further assume the online retailer would be subject to audit by any one of the taxing authorities. The audits could be worse than collecting and reporting the tax. About two weeks ago I wrote an article about online sales tax :  http://www.netcodeman.com/news/internet-retail-sales-tax-and-how-it-may-effect-the-online-retailer/ ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Tue, 5/7/13, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote: From: Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 3:22 PM Taxes are a pain. I believe it will probably be taxing only to the state level, and not county and city. I do not know how this would work. Do you have to register your tax id in every state? File paperwork in every state? How do states know that you have made transactions within their borders? This seems like it would be a logistical nightmare. I remember when I had an operation in TX, that was a headache and a half. I cannot image nationally. Gilbert On 5/7/2013 8:48 AM, keith smith wrote: The U.S. Senate passed the Internet Sales Tax Bill.  Jeff Flake's office says he voted against it and John McCain's office said he voted FOR it. It is being reported there in some 9,600 taxing authorities in the U.S.  Add to that 560 or so Indian tribe taxing authorities. That is over 10,000 taxing authorities.  Yikes!!  Any company with 1 million in sales will be required to comply.  I can tell you that a company that has 1 million in sales is not a big company.  That online retailer might consist of 2 or 3 employees with some additional help from a number of consultants and potentially a fulfillment center. From first hand experience, I would say this law, if passed by the U.S. House, will cause a bunch of small online retailers to either go out of business or reduce sales through raising prices or some other method.  This may very well play out like ObamaCare where companies are reducing the hours of their employees so they have less than 50 full-time employees.   In other words we will experience the unintended consequences of these laws. These polices effect each of us.  ------------------------ Keith Smith --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -----Inline Attachment Follows----- --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- Dazed_75 a.k.a. Larry Please protect my address like I protect yours. When sending messages to multiple recipients, use the BCC: (Blind carbon copy). 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