On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:43 PM, keith smith wrote: > > This is interesting. Most think a mill a year in sales is a lot. It > really is not. Not from my experience. If you are doing a mill a year > online you probably have a lot of overhead. > > You talk about doing the reporting on line. Who is going to do it and how > is going to ensure the right info is reported? Someone will work more or > an additional person will be required. > > And I do not think we would " pipe xen cart on LAMP into quick books on > windows real time" The correct amount of sales tax must be figure during > the sale based on local. > > I work with these issues on a daily basis. it is going to be a nightmare. I am continually amazed at the expertise in these supposedly OT discussions. This was a great read Bryan and Keith! > > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal *wrote: > > > From: Bryan O'Neal > Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:31 PM > > > Data exchange can be done - If I can pipe xen cart on LAMP into quick > books on windows real time after a weekend of playing around I am sure some > one like intuit will have way to cover you. That said - it will take a year > or two for the dust to settle and it will cost people to comply. But if you > sell $1M/year and you can not afford a $1500 bump in expenses I would say > your margins are too thin to survive. As far as remittance most states > allow you to do the monthly remittance online. I wrote a simple script for > the sate of AZ so again, I think biger software companies can handle making > it very simple for you. And again, if you are doing a mill in sales and you > are not using some form of software that has active development you will > have problems. > What I am trying to say is the concept is not as daunting as it may sound. > The problem is not in the concept, however the execution will be very > painful. And this will cause a lot of problems for a lot of people. > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 6:19 PM, keith smith > > wrote: > > > It will not be as simple as tying one software package into another. What > if the provided software runs on Win8 and your cart is running on a LAMP > server? > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Tue, 5/7/13, Bryan O'Neal *wrote: > > > From: Bryan O'Neal > > Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > > > Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 6:11 PM > > > The real problem is internal US internet sales will be less competitive. > The regulations will be difficult at first but within a few years they > will just tie the sales software into the tax software and it will be easy > to calculate and deal with in real time with very little additional cost. > The solution to competition is either use of an import tax or forcing > compliance on any one who sells inside the us. And our sales to the outside > will not be effected because other countries are not doing this... So > purchasing from the US if you happen to be in some non US company looks > just the same. In all truth... Sales tax is more progressive then income > tax, so.... I am not sure I have an issue with it more then the > predefined statement that TAXES ARE TOO DAM HIGH! > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jason Poulter > > wrote: > > It will just force people to buy things from sites and countries where > they don't collect taxes , so really justs hurt the economy more losing out > on sales that make economy better > > > Eric Cope > > wrote: > > > http://blog2.easydns.org/2013/05/07/go-ahead-pass-the-internet-tax-your-foreign-competitors-thank-you-in-advance/ > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Stephen > > wrote: > > I also envision allot of quote building instead of online direct purchase. > On May 7, 2013 1:43 PM, "keith smith" > > wrote: > > > Great idea. Phone orders only, placed through a local terminal not the > website. Excellent!! > > > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Tue, 5/7/13, James Finstrom > >* wrote: > > > From: James Finstrom > > > Subject: Re: OT: Internet Sales Tax Passes the U.S. Senate > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > > > Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:11 AM > > I predict "call to order" then the sale is not an "internet sale". > > Much like companies are cutting employee hours to avoid obamacare people > will find a way to avoid this. > > James Finstrom > > > > ಠ_ಠ ** > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 9:19 AM, JD Austin > > wrote: > > Great.. one more way to KILL small business by making them less > competitive and increasing their overhead. Companies will just adapt to > this BS (and regular employees will pay for it).. getting close to > 1M/year... time to SPLIT THE COMPANY. > > -- JD Austin > Twin Geckos Technology Services LLC > http://www.twingeckos.com > Voice: 480.269.4335 (480 2MY Geek) > jd@twingeckos.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > AZTelcom Solutions > jd.austin@aztelcom.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > The Open Tech Guy > http://www.opentechguy.com > jd@opentechguy.com > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Xorcom USA > Technical Support > jd.austin@xorcom.com > > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Lisa Kachold > > wrote: > > Keith: > > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:48 AM, keith smith > > wrote: > > > The U.S. Senate passed the Internet Sales Tax Bill. Jeff Flake's office > says he voted against it and John McCain's office said he voted FOR it. > > It is being reported there in some 9,600 taxing authorities in the U.S. > Add to that 560 or so Indian tribe taxing authorities. That is over 10,000 > taxing authorities. Yikes!! Any company with 1 million in sales will be > required to comply. I can tell you that a company that has 1 million in > sales is not a big company. That online retailer might consist of 2 or 3 > employees with some additional help from a number of consultants and > potentially a fulfillment center. > > From first hand experience, I would say this law, if passed by the U.S. > House, will cause a bunch of small online retailers to either go out of > business or reduce sales through raising prices or some other method. > > This may very well play out like ObamaCare where companies are reducing > the hours of their employees so they have less than 50 full-time > employees. In other words we will experience the unintended consequences > of these laws. > > These polices effect each of us. > > > Yikes, yes! And that will provide the revenue to expand Internet > government regulation and compliance. > > Sadly, it had to happen. > > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > > (503) 754-4452 Android > (623) 239-3392 Skype > (623) 688-3392 Google Voice > ** > it-clowns.com > Chief Clown > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > ------------------------------ > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- (503) 754-4452 Android (623) 239-3392 Skype (623) 688-3392 Google Voice ** it-clowns.com Chief Clown