There are lots of 8gb n7s hitting ebay. And the app is linked to the market it came from. Wich has an account associated to it. But i am not sure how this works with multiple device accounts. That should be checked because if the main device acct has an app linked to market and a Google account then it should still work for the guest device account. But i have not seen this for sure yet. On Jan 4, 2013 11:50 PM, "der.hans" wrote: > Am 04. Jan, 2013 schwätzte Joseph Sinclair so: > > moin moin, > > I'll address your requirements in a list: >> 1) Multiple Accounts >> Any Android 4.2 or later has this already >> > > OK. I thought it hit mainline Android, but I wasn't certain. > > 2) Parental Controls >> a) Limit apps >> Android and Google Play Store, just don't setup the kid account with >> any cards, and use gift cards to fund the few apps you want him to have >> > > In my case, he should have no ability to buy anything. He also doesn't > need any Internet access unless there's parental participation. I could > see allowing some Internet stuff, e.g. videos from a limited selection. > Mostly his Internet use has been from adѕ in games :(. Don't need those > for him either. > > I did find a couple of parental apps that look promising. > > Currently testing Kids Place. It explains why it needs the permissions it > requests. I don't like the licensing, but I can deal with it for now. > > Most of the parental control apps were mostly interested in spying on the > kids. Totally not what I need. I mostly just need to limit him to certain > apps and would like to be able to add time limits. Kids Place has both of > those features. > > Would still like a FLOSS licensed program. > > Hmm, he needs to buy the apps for his account? If you buy an app for a > device is it limited to use by the account that bought it? If I want > multiple accounts on a device to use something, I have to install it once > for each account? > > Add a PIN on the "Wallet" usage and don't tell him the PIN >> b) time limits >> This, currently, requires a third-party app. >> c) time limit per app >> Same as (2)(b) >> > > I think Kids Place doesn't have time limit per app, so I just left some of > the games and video players out. > > 3) No Online account >> You're out of luck here with Android; Android generally requires a >> google account to buy apps, and for a bunch of other features. It's >> *possible* to use without an account, but not terribly useful. >> > > Well, no online account required for the parental controls. I don't need > nor want a big brother app. I certainly don't want some other company > gathering lots of data. > > I want Internet access from the adult account :). Heck, you know I want > root on the box and I want to be able to ssh in!!! ;-) > > 4) Not fail if several days without internet >> If it's turned off, it won't care. If it's turned on, just disable >> background sync and sync manually once in a while, Android will be fine in >> that mode. You can disable background sync on the "kid" account but leave >> it enabled on the "adult" account if you like (but then you should connect >> it to WiFi every couple days, just to limit the 10-minute-lockup-to-sync >> issue). >> > > Yeah, one of the reasons I don't like cloud, especially in a dry, clear > sky environment like we have in much of rural Arizona :). > > 5) bumpers for safety and resilience >> Either built in, or you can add a high-strength case option to any >> Android tablet; such as a Nexus 10 or Nexus 7. The advantage of adding a >> case is that you can choose a Nexus device for better value and *much* >> earlier upgrades. >> > > I was leaning towards a Nexus 7 for me anyway, maybe I'll start there and > see if I can get it setup like I want. > > 6) gorilla glass (or similar) >> Many tablets have this, or something similar. The current Nexus tablets >> have hardened glass fronts. >> > > Ah, cool. > > 7) Android (recent preferred) >> Not Amazon (forked 2.x). Otherwise most decent tablets meet this >> requirement. >> > > Yeah, wasn't considering that anyway. > > Based on the above I'd actually get a Nexus 7 or Nexus 10 (depending on >> which size you want, and how much you're willing to spend). >> I'd add a high quality bumper case (these are just examples from a quick >> search) like this: http://compare.ebay.com/like/** >> 170942210851?var=lv<yp=**AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=**sbaror this: >> http://compare.ebay.com/like/**400370705719?var=lv<yp=** >> AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=**sbar >> > > Oi, $50.00 for the case and only the 32GB Nexus 7 available means double > the price of the kids Android devices. Yup, his personal tablet can wait > for some prices to drop :). > > I'd also add a film-type screen protector overlay, just to have a little >> scratch protection on the screen in case the little guy decides that the >> sound of keys clattering on glass might be funny. >> > > Good idea. I do that for all our phones, but have only gotten a film on > half the tablets. I should make that SOP for a few more years :). > > With those, I'd then enable "my" account, and have my apps, settings, >> etc... >> I'd also enable the "Kid" account, with far fewer apps, a restricted >> Google account, $5 Google Play gift card for apps (mostly used on the few >> purchased apps), Lookout for Android, and a good Parental Controls app >> (with a separate and very hard password). >> > > Hadn't heard of lookout. Interesting, I'll consider it. As to the hard > password, that's not yet necessary :). > > That's it; meets nearly all of your requirements (except the made-here, >> which I suspect is nearly impossible at this point, and no-account-needed, >> as described in item (3) ), and it's a nice tablet at a good price point. >> > > I didn't say made here, I said not direct import from overseas. I know most > of the hardware will unfortunately be made elsewhere. I want a US company > to go to should there be a problem. > > I hope that helps. >> > > It was quite helpful! > > ciao, > > der.hans > > >> On 01/03/2013 11:03 PM, der.hans wrote: >> >>> moin moin, >>> >>> trying to get an Android tablet for my son. I would like something >>> purchased here rather than as a direct import from whereever. >>> >>> I want multiple accounts and parental controls. The main reason for the >>> controls at this point is to limit which apps he can get to and put time >>> limits on the use of his account. I'd also like to have time limits per >>> app, but that's a wishlist item. >>> >>> I definitely want parental controls that do not require an online >>> account. >>> I want as little 3rd party tracking of him and his tablet as possible. I >>> also want something that's not going to bork up because it goes many days >>> without an internet connection. >>> >>> If it weren't for me wanting to use it I'd just go without wifi and want >>> a USB connection for package updates :). >>> >>> I found a bunch at toysrus that look OK, but the one I got immediately >>> wants me to create an account for parental controls :(. It looks like >>> they >>> might all require that :(. >>> >>> http://www.toysrus.com/family/**index.jsp?categoryId=10869454 >>> >>> Has anyone found a parental controls app that doesn't require online >>> tracking? Preferably it would be FLOSS licensed. >>> >>> In the end I really just need a tablet with bumpers, multiple accounts >>> and >>> parental controls. I would like gorilla glass as well, but will do my >>> best >>> to just keep him from trying to put anything through the screen :). >>> >>> I also want something with a recent version of android and would prefer >>> something that's probably going to have updated versions. >>> >>> I'll probably go with Cyanogenmod, Plasma or Ubuntu for my next tablet, >>> but for the child device I'd prefer something with a support chain. I >>> also >>> want to be able to use the Google market to get adult apps like my speed >>> reader and German news site apps. >>> >>> I keep watching for the ZaTab to be available again :). >>> >>> http://zareason.com/shop/**zatab.html >>> >>> ciao, >>> >>> der.hans >>> >> >> >> > -- > # http://www.LuftHans.com/ http://www.LuftHans.com/**Classes/ > # "Science is like sex: sometimes something useful comes out, but > # that is not the reason we are doing it." -- Richard Feynman > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.phxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >