I've been watching this and a number of other issues unfold over that last 4 or 5 days.  We definitely live in interesting times.  I whole heatedly agree we need to fix our relationship with the federal government, and believe me I would love to secede, however I think it might be destructive in the end. My main concern is the US may be what is keeping the world from self destructing.  If we break into 50 different countries, we lose that strength.  For instance what happens to all the nukes we have all over the planet?  What about our navy what happens to it? I propose the 50 states create an alliance to nullify anything the federal government does that is not constitutional.  This is lawful and we have the right under the 10th Amendment.  We can start by requiring all taxes sent to the federal government go through the states.  The states should hold back 80% of it. I would guess everyone thinks the federal government is out of control.  If we stand together we can do this.  Remember the states created the federal government not the other way around.    The 10th Amendment:  The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.     ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Wed, 11/14/12, joe@actionline.com wrote: From: joe@actionline.com Subject: OT: Time for substantive change. To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Wednesday, November 14, 2012, 4:10 PM The Declaration of Independence states: "Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government." Over the past few days, petitions have been started in all 50 states to secede from this now marxist-socialist "union." The rate at which signatures are being added to these petitions makes it very clear that this is no joke. Click the link below to sign the petition: - - - http://wh.gov/9mNz - - - Note: If you live in a state other than Arizona, google to find the active petition in your state. A petition is under way in and for every state. At this point, you only need to sign up with your first name, last initial, and zip code.  It's quick and easy. Let your voice be heard. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss