found it! a little duckduckgo search (its better than google) revealed http://www.e-booksdirectory.com/programming.php which will keep me happy for a bit. :-)~MIKE~(-: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Michael Havens wrote: > how do you get tho withse free books? or at least those books that are > under 5 dollars? They want too much for Head First Programming. (maybe not > to much but more than I can swing) > :-)~MIKE~(-: > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Michael Havens wrote: > >> thankks James. I'll look into getting thay one. >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:11 AM, James Dugger wrote: >> >>> A good book for entry level programing is Head First Programing by >>> O'Reilly books you can get it in pdf form through O'yoReilly. It is easy >>> to follow and is designed for people with little or no formal training in >>> programing. >>> >>> I gave it to my 13 year old son this summer and got him to use it to >>> learn programing. He has moved through most of the chapters by himself >>> with little need for help. >>> >>> It teaches the fundamentals of programing OOP using the python >>> language. I like python for several reasons. >>> >>> 1. It is a high level language - no need for compiling to run your >>> programs. >>> >>> 2. Its syntax is simple and straight forward. >>> 3. It is used in both web development as a server side language and >>> is common in Linux and used in system administration. >>> 4. It is used by Google in their Google Apps. >>> >>> Good luck >>> On Aug 20, 2012 8:22 AM, "keith smith" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm not sure what being a skilled JavaScript programmer really means, >>>> however there are lots of challenges. Maybe that is why there is a >>>> "shortage", if there really is one. Maybe you can achieve everything you >>>> need to with jQuery or another such library. You will need to know HTML, >>>> how the DOM works, and CSS. At that point if you learn PHP or some other >>>> server side programming language you would have a complete marketable skill >>>> set. Of course basic Apache and MySql skills would come in handy also. >>>> None of these skills live in a vacuum. >>>> >>>> Being a JavaScript expert would be pretty neat since JavaScript runs in >>>> the browser. I'd do some research on demand before jumping in. >>>> >>>> If I were just getting started I'd learn how to program a smart device >>>> running Android. >>>> >>>> http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html >>>> >>>> Another thing you might consider. It is very hard to break into >>>> programming in Corporate America. Learning how to program smart devises >>>> might help you do freelance work. That might be where you really find the >>>> demand. >>>> >>>> Another thing. Having several people give you advice on a tech list is >>>> just that. The bottom line is you have to make it work. The buck stops >>>> with you. I'd do lots of research and try out the different languages >>>> before investing lots of time and effort. Also develop a business plan. >>>> Even if you plan to work W2, I suggest a business plan so you can see how >>>> that might work. You are a business even if you work W2. >>>> >>>> The first questions I'd ask myself is : >>>> >>>> 1) what are you deeply passionate about >>>> 2) what were you genetically encoded to do >>>> 3) will, whatever this is, drive you economic engine? >>>> >>>> Having a desire to be a programmer does not mean one should become a >>>> programmer. You may have been designed to do something else. Also >>>> programming skills come in handy in other fields. For instance if you were >>>> in a financial analyst position you might be more productive if you were >>>> able to pull raw data from a database, and create reports, maybe in spread >>>> sheet format, that you and your group might be able to use in the >>>> performance of your duties. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Keith Smith >>>> >>>> --- On *Sun, 8/19/12, Michael Havens * wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Michael Havens >>>> Subject: Re: programming >>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >>>> Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 10:51 PM >>>> >>>> Well, I am going to take Alan and Joseph;s suggestion and learn >>>> JavaScript. Look at that! Codeacademy didn't give me a choice as to which >>>> language I wanted to learn but rather started me right off with JS! Thank >>>> you so much for responding to me guys. >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, keith smith >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------ >>>> Keith Smith d Joseph; >>>> --- On *Sun, 8/19/12, Alan Dayley >>>> >* wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Alan Dayley >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: programming >>>> To: "Main PLUG discussion list" >>>> > >>>> Date: Sunday, August 19, 2012, 3:30 PM >>>> >>>> >>>> Most places I visit use web-based applications more and more often. >>>> And, in such places, JavaScript developers seem to be in short supply. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Michael Havens > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> thank you so much for your help. What would you suggest as a marketable >>>> language for me to learn? >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Alan Dayley >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> http://codeacademy.com has free classes for much of the basics in >>>> several languages. They just added Python. Look to see if that fits >>>> your learning goals. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> On Aug 19, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Michael Havens > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I was wondering..... how do you find the free kindle books and I was >>>> hoping to find a book that would teach programming from the ground up with >>>> exercises and stuff like that. Free is about all I can afford with two kids >>>> and being on disability and all the crap that is going on in my life! WHat >>>> is a good language to start learning? I remember that a friend of mine who >>>> went to Devry in 91 the first language he learned was Pascal. Is that a >>>> good language to start with or should I rather start with something more >>>> useful? Like maybe Java or Javascript or would you recommend something >>>> else? This is going to be completely a home study thing. I do have a Python >>>> book for python2.1 by Deitel, Liperi, and Weidermann (copywrite 02). I >>>> think I will work out of that unless you think it is too old. Please don't >>>> ask what I want to do with whatever I learn because right now I don't know >>>> what the possibilities of learning a language (be it Python, DHTML, or >>>> whatever). You know what, I also >>>> have a DHTML book (1997) anda java book ( 96) that are really >>>> old. Do you think I should use them? Yeah, I'm thinking HTML and Java are >>>> more practical. I can offer to program things for people. 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