Corrections:

1) If he did work there, it was before his indictment, because I find it
very hard to contemplate that the press would not have, in 2008, had a field
day with that employment factiod?

2) What possible context, other than gossip, petty prejudice and negatism
could any fact about a child porn trading conviction take?

3) Rational discussion of a large local employers change in ownership is
what was invited.

Please keep your discussion OT James.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold@obnosis.com>wrote:

> WAIT!
>
> Why does it not say Paul RICHARD Butts was "Security Manager GoDaddy.com"
> in ANY of the press or public records?  Because this man did not work there!
>
> <bull baiting>
>
> James, really!  You are positively too easy to reduce to pure rude
> emotionalism...
>
> </bull baiting>
>
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> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM, James Finstrom <
> jfinstrom@rhinoequipment.com> wrote:
>
>> For reference:
>> http://vigilantantis.wordpress.com/2008/02/20/paul-richard-butts-guilty-24000-child-porn-images/
>>
>> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0215abrk-childpornconvict0215.html
>>
>> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/12/10/20081210childporn1210-on.html
>>
>> Urban legends like your resume I am sure....
>>
>> I love everything I put on here gets attacked by princess know it all
>>
>> /rant
>>
>> -james
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold@obnosis.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bryan,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Bryan O'Neal <
>>> Bryan.ONeal@theonealandassociates.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My guess is he is no longer the head of security and they can afford
>>>> more A talent then they could several years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Correct!  Their entire security team came to one of my Hackfests.  They
>>> were not in any way "slow" or stupid; in fact, they were all excellent
>>> (quickly answering advanced questions for tee shirts and becoming bored with
>>> limited content presentations [SSLStrip]) far and above the caliber of most
>>> the PLUG (including many quick to critique and the academics selling "formal
>>> education and community college classes" or contractors and entrepreneurs))
>>> as most security passionate linux professionals are.
>>>
>>> I also use GoDaddy.com for some things and support a great number of
>>> professional companies who have or currently use them.
>>>
>>> As for security, the GoDaddy Drupal and other point click CMS
>>> applications are patched and provide for security updates (which outdoes the
>>> PLUG, wouldn't you say)?  Their ftp and mail is relatively secure (compared
>>> with other hosting shops).   But as for actual success as evidenced by
>>> Google and MAC, management is EVERYTHING.   I know people who worked at
>>> GoDaddy, and while they can't deem to venture an opinion here, they agree
>>> management is somewhat lacking at GoDaddy.com; let's hope this changes?
>>>
>>> But hey, sure!  Let's all dog gossip about each other?  This James
>>> originated story about the Security Manager sounds like an urban GoDaddy
>>> myth?  A discussion about a personal issue of this level (which rightly
>>> belongs in human resources, not a gosspy discussion in the PLUG) is
>>> obscene.  I heard a great one about myself recently?  All PLUG gossip is
>>> fairly useless and borne of one of the 7 Deadlies....
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:18 PM, James Finstrom
>>>> <jfinstrom@rhinoequipment.com> wrote:
>>>> > um smoke crack much....
>>>> > In the end Godaddy is the wal-mart of registrars. You don't go there
>>>> because
>>>> > they are the best at what they do, you go because they are the
>>>> cheapest at
>>>> > what they do. I am not aware of any other registrar that will sell you
>>>> a $1
>>>> > domain name. If someone else does let me know and I will be happy to
>>>> use em.
>>>> > I don't use any of their up-sells but I usually buy my domains there
>>>> because
>>>> > they are dirt cheap.
>>>> > As far as the old "antidote"  When their head security cant secure his
>>>> own
>>>> > crap legal or not then I would suspect he can't secure others. If he
>>>> is in
>>>> > the driver seat of the team I would assume he is what they consider
>>>> their
>>>> > "smartest choice"
>>>> > As we have seen lately script kiddies are taking down big
>>>> > multinational corporations so all around I would say the state of
>>>> security
>>>> > over all is crap.
>>>> > --James
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Lisa Kachold <lisakachold@obnosis.com
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Steven,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Everyone "projects" onto others what they feel themselves at first
>>>> onion
>>>> >> layer.  Some of us can identify our feelings (jealousy, or another of
>>>> the 7
>>>> >> deadlies) and extract gossip from fact to understanding of process
>>>> and
>>>> >> duties in technical professions and shops.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> At GoDaddy.com ticket hockey is a large part of most of the jobs,
>>>> >> requiring a specific type of conformist.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Their top linux people and developers are deeply involved; they allow
>>>> >> little creative thought or engineering direction from the mass of
>>>> employees.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's their culture.  Unfortunately GoDaddy.com has dropped in the
>>>> hosting
>>>> >> rankings over the last few years, perhaps due to inability to
>>>> innovate, poor
>>>> >> support for common users, and management shakeups.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 5:10 PM, Steven Stremciuc <
>>>> steven@stremciuc.net>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> James, that's a strange conclusion to draw from one (years old)
>>>> anecdote.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 9:28 AM, James Finstrom
>>>> >>> <jfinstrom@rhinoequipment.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Years ago one of their head security guys got busted for kiddy
>>>> porn.
>>>> >>>> This told me their security folks aren't that bright
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Jul 3, 2011 6:18 AM, "Lisa Kachold" <lisakachold@obnosis.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> > Ed,
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:20 AM, Ed <plug@0x1b.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> >> GoDaddy sold for $2.25B to KKR etc
>>>> >>>> >>
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > Hopefully, this might give them some new management. It's like a
>>>> >>>> > Chinese
>>>> >>>> > firedrill every six months over there?
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > The ONLY department that is well managed is their Security
>>>> Services
>>>> >>>> > team.
>>>> >>>> >
>>>> >>>> > http://mashable.com/2011/07/02/godaddy-sold/
>>>> >>>> >
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