I think your understanding was of aufthority, not clear and simple consequences? Of course a few might argue joining the military as opposed to some of the other opportunities available might be a perfect example. But of course this is a subject mired in subjective experience, values systems and symantics, possibly therefore "junk science". I would like to see how many kids end up at DecConforkids? On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:54 PM, keith smith wrote: > > I have not been following this thread until now. I found the statement > "The human brain doesn't recognize consequences until age 25?" to be very > interesting. > > I'm a little older. I joined the Marine Corps at 18. My peers and I > understood consequences almost from the first moment of entering boot camp. > > By 25 most enlisted marines, if they stayed in, would have 7 years in and > have made it to the rank of E-5 or E-6. When I was in some made E-5 - > Sergeant within the fist 4 years. That put them in a position of authority > and responsibility, and they were only 21, 22, or 23 years old when they > took on that responsibility that required a thorough understanding of > consequences. > > > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Tue, 6/28/11, Nathan England * wrote: > > > From: Nathan England > > Subject: Re: DefCon for kids > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 8:43 PM > > > I am of the opinion that science is not always correct, regardless of how > much "study" has been done. Science telling me that the human brain is not > capable of making a decision without considering the consequences of the > decision, yet all our known life came from some primordial ooze, or all > existing matter came about through a one in a billion random chance big > bang, only proves to me that science is not always right. More like the > science is created to cater to someone's agenda. > > I specifically remember as a young child considering the consequences of my > actions. Of course, I was also "spanked" as a child! oh no! someone call Dr. > Spock! I think in reality we are trying to make these punk adolescents feel > better by telling them it is not their faults, in order for a baby boomer > society to make up for a lack of discipline in their homes while raising > their children. > > just my .02 > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Eric Cope > > wrote: > > There was a book published with the last few years talking about adolescent > decision making. Adolescents have different value systems making their > decisions look poor from adults point of view, but actually quite rational. > It's was titled "the case against adolescence". > > Eric > > > On Jun 28, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Lisa Kachold > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Lee Reynolds < > Lee.Reynolds@asu.edu > wrote: > > The human brain doesn't recognize consequences until age 25? > > > > That sounds like a bunch of nonsense to me, the kind of stuff that is > used to make excuses for adults acting like overgrown adolescents. Perhaps > the issue is not a matter of neurological development, but a matter of > parents allowing their grown children to persist in a child-like state until > they are almost 30. I'm only 38 myself, but I do remember the days when > growing up meant you grew up. Maybe you went off to college, maybe you > joined the military, maybe you lived with your folks but paid serious rent > while attending college close to home. But whatever you did, you were > expected to be an adult, not a child. Today many people in their early 20's > are still living with mom and dad as if high school never ended. Allowing > someone to persist in that kind of a cocoon is a great way to wind up with > someone who at first glance does not appear to understand consequences, when > in truth they've simply never had to function in life as a normal adult. > > > > > > > I am not sure if it would be called "junk" but it's neuroscience backed up > by long behavioral studies and statistics, as well as imaging. > > > > http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&source=hp&q=consequences+brain+age+25&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=1df85bb4ccbea692&biw=900&bih=330 > > > Lee Reynolds > > Tech Support Analyst Sr > > ASU Advanced Computing Center > > GWC-178 > > > > 480.965.9460 (Office) > > 480.458.7434 (Mobile) > > > > Have an A2C2 related question or problem? > > > > Just send an email to the following address detailing > > the nature of the question or problem and a service request > > will be created automatically: > > > > support@hpchelp.asu.edu > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: > > plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.uson behalf of Kevin Brown > > Sent: Tue 6/28/2011 5:17 PM > > To: Main PLUG discussion list > > Subject: Re: DefCon for kids > > > >>> Sounds like Cathy's daughter is the perfect person for DefCon according > to > >>> Chris' "Why is DefCon like sudoku?" presentation earlier this month. > >>> > >>> > > http://mychildssuitcase.blogspot.com/2011/06/channelling-energy-of-geeky-techy-kids.html > >> > >> There is a good deal of material presented at DefCon that gives > >> credence and lip service to breaking laws without consequences. Youth > >> are already at a disadvantage since the human brain does not recognize > >> consequences until around 25 years old, while being required to be > >> accountable since the age of 18. > > > > This sounds like junk science. Kids as young as 2 and 3 lie to avoid > > getting into trouble which suggests they understand consequences for > > their actions. > > > >> I would carefully counsel your daughters and sons about some of what > >> is presented, the current state of government surveillance in America, > >> and exactly where and when they have encroached private property and > >> consequences. A good example is the back page of 2600 magazine where > >> jail inmates are given free classified space to write desperately for > >> penpals from jail for such crimes. > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > > -- > (602) 791-8002 Android > (623) 239-3392 Skype > (623) 688-3392 Google Voice > > HomeSmartInternational.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - > > PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Nathan England > I believe in the Constitution and the 4th Amendment. 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