Yes, Randy's program over at Estrella is really the bomb as for resources to
gain Linux skills!

The average person could get a RHCE after that degree, and there are Linux
Admins in the field who don't have the skills to pass that.

Case in point:  Joey Prestia

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 1:59 AM, der.hans <PLUGd@lufthans.com> wrote:

> Am 18. Nov, 2010 schwätzte Eric Cope so:
>
>  I don't speak from personal experience, but based on talking to professors
>> at ASU, things only get more political the higher you go. Community
>> college
>> is less political than Universities. Based on those conversations, I agree
>> that Lisa sugar coated it, and may even have some chocolate syrup on it
>> too!
>>
>
> Thus far, 3 years, the department has been very supportive of our
> GNU/Linux program at Mesa Community College. We're even having a
> meeting tomorrow to discuss how the department can help us improve our
> program. The instructors get a chance to give input on what classes should
> be taught for the degree. I think that's outstanding.
>
> As an adjunct instructor I don't have to deal with politics.
>
> I also have no realistic options for becoming a full-time instructor in
> the current economy and state office political climate. Both of those
> issues are above the community college level and way over my pay grade :).
>
> For the department, the keys are that the students are learning and are
> working towards a degree and usable skills. Students signing up for more
> classes is also good as we need certain numbers for the class to run, but
> the department seems more interested in longer-term outcomes.
>
> At the college adminstration/infrastructure level I'm certain there are
> politics, just like at most any large institution. The difference being
> that faculty with little technical knowledge have input in addition to the
> managers with little technical knowledge :).
>
> The little exposure I've had was sufficient to convince me that Randy runs
> a good technical and educational shop over at Estrella Mountain. I don't
> know about the politics, but I'm certain the students have a great
> opportunity to get the knowledge they're seeking.
>
> I think we do a good job at Mesa, but I am definitely playing catchup to
> Randy's environment. He's full-time, I'm adjunct, so I predict I'll always
> be playing catchup.
>
> ciao,
>
> der.hans
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