Thanks for the input, I'm still stuck. @Kevin: > Your problem is right there. > You have noexec as a mount option. > Remove it and everything should work. "noexec" ? Huh? Where? Where does "noexec" in /etc/mtab come from? Since this is primarily for data storage, execution was never a concern. My /etc/fstab lists "users", and (for mount, umount) that works okay. Originally it included "UID=49" which is "plg-dev", an unlisted system user. ls listings originally showed plg-dev as owner, but only in an Ubuntu boot. I have yet to see ls display "users" for group ownership. @Alan: Totally correct. I understand the vfat permission limitations. The chgrp operation seems not very appropriate in a vfat system. So, why does ls show LIMITED permissions (and root ownership)? I don't even know how Linux can keep track. So, for vfat filesystem: Is it NOT possible for Linux to set group ownership to users? My basic problem still is: No one but root can create or copy files/directories onto that partition. (-: Chas.M. :-) > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 22:41:58 -0700 > Subject: Re: Operation (by root) not permitted > From: adayley@gmail.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > You are attempting to change "Linux style" group settings on files in > a vfat file system. That will not work. The vfat file system does > not have a way to set or change group ownership. > > The error message is not worded very well. It should say something > like "Cannot set group ownership in vfat (FAT32) file system" > > Alan > > On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, ChasM Marshall wrote: > > Hiya, > > > > Okay, I'm baffled. What in the Ubuntu 9.07 is going on here? > > > > # uname -a > > Linux BlueBeast.localhost 2.6.28-11-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 17 > > 01:57:59 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux > > > > Logged in as root I've edited /etc/fstab. > > I want the /Meta vfat partition completely open (unlocked). > > > > # cat /etc/fstab > > # /Meta was /dev/sda5 > > UUID=45F2-140B /Meta vfat utf8,users,noauto 0 1 > > > > # mount > > /dev/sda5 on /Meta type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,utf8) > > > > # cat /etc/mtab > > /dev/sda5 /Meta vfat rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,utf8 0 0 > > > > # ls -al > > drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 1969-12-31 17:00 Meta > > > > # chgrp -hR users /Meta > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/Linux/TextTest.txt': Operation not > > permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/Linux': Operation not permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/TextTest.txt': Operation not permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/FireFoxMint.jpg': Operation not permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/FireFoxFedora.jpeg': Operation not > > permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/FireFoxSuSE.jpg': Operation not permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.53-pkg1.run': > > Operation not permitted > > chgrp: changing group of `/Meta': Operation not permitted > > > > I can not figure out what in Ubuntu (Mint 7) stops root (#) from assigning > > permissions here. > > Can you? > > This vfat partition was created in SuSE 9.3 and used mkdosfs to create the > > file system. > > /Meta is a common mount point (folder?) for multiple of my Linux distros. > > But it's getting harder to use. > > As root, it functions okay (mostly) as a common data folder. I want to give > > access to all users > > of any current-booted Linux. In SuSE 10.3 the process required a new > > /etc/fstab entry followed > > by the chgrp command as above. But in Ubuntu, I'm a bit lost. > > Here I can see a disagreement between /etc/fstab and /etc/mtab that I can't > > reconcile. > > > > It may be a while before I can return to the PLUG mail list. So be > > patient with me. > > > > (-: Chas.M. :-) > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss