OPPS, I seem to have started a political conversation! On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:42 AM, keith smith wrote: > > If you are asking for proof that the government is watching everyone of us > just take a look at the USA PATRIOT Act. It give authority to wire tap and > other surveillance activities with much less restriction. It allows > authorities to circumvent the constitution and hold prisoners incommunicado > while violating their 6th and 14th Amendments right to due process. Clearly > unconstitutional. > > Here is an example of how the law is being abused > > Lundeby said the USA Patriot Actstripped her son of his due process rights. > > "We have no rights under the Patriot Act to even defend them, because the > Patriot Act basically supersedes the Constitution," she said. "It wasn't > intended to drag your barely 16-year-old, 120-pound son out in the middle of > the night on a charge that we can't even defend." > > http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/5049867/ > > http://www.reformthepatriotact.org/ > > > > ------------------------ > Keith Smith > > --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, R P Herrold * wrote: > > > From: R P Herrold > Subject: Re: Kaseya Agents & You > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 9:19 AM > > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010, Lisa Kachold wrote: > > > It can be used for malicious reasons. > > so can almost any tool > > As you later note: > > > It is not cheap. Free applications and online tools exist to do the > samething. > > drop in a VNC server, pre-key it, and hide it from the process table > listing, and one is home in a Windows environment; munge a kernel module, > and one can attain the same effect in Linux. Apple has similar in OS/X ... > > back to the lead post ... > > > It is currently being used by NSA and government surveillance of citizens > of interest, or it can be used for technical support purposes. > > A strong assertion. A search turns up just another vendor, in the > marketing hunt trying to sell to the Homeland Security 'garrison state' > http://www.kaseya.com/ > with a FIPS-140-2 certification. They are co-marketing with Microsoft > http://www.microsoft.com/sbs/en/us/software-solutions.aspx > and they seem to advert having sold to the U S Air Force > > Conspicuously absent from a google search is non 'tinfoil hat' evidence > beyond supposition and capabilities, and actually showing improper use by a > federal agency > > Please, prove me wrong with URLs I missed > > -- Russ herrold > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Office: (602)239-3392 AT&T: (503)754-4452 http://it-clowns.com "Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible. " --Stanislav Lem