Interesting. Your team has worn out 'racist' so now you're using 'xenophobe'. I am pro-Immigration, LEGAL immigration. You like UCLA huh? Do you like La Raza too? http://orgs.law.ucla.edu/laraza/Pages/Default.aspx -jmz On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Matt Iavarone wrote: > Yup, no agenda there. I'll take UCLAs research over a blog. > > Nice words too, 'harboring multi-generational culture'. Like I said, > xenophobe. > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Joshua Zeidner > wrote: > > > > here's a good place to start your research: > > http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research82b2 > > the fact is that Mexico would rather have us support their poor. Many > > groups have generated reports that Illegal Aliens are beneficial. > Despite > > this, the key word remains: ILLEGAL. The situation has progressed so > much > > that we are actually harboring multi-generational culture that feels > > entitled to American tax money. The ideology that they use to support > this > > belief is particularly noxious and even some participants on this list > > appear to be in support of them. > > -jmz > > > > > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Matt Iavarone > > > wrote: > >> > >> The enormous financial burden like adding $1.5T to the GDP over 10 > >> years? > >> http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jan/07/local/la-me-immig7-2010jan07 > >> > >> You are a xenophobe and a bigot from what I can gather. So yes, that > >> kind of content in your emails will certainly turn some people off. > >> > >> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Joshua Zeidner > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > Jim, you do realize that by making a statement about filtering you > >> > say > >> > loud and clear that it's not about annoying emails, its about the > >> > content in > >> > them. I don't need to say another word, you will be hearing more of > >> > this > >> > for the simple reason that there is absolutely no way that the people > of > >> > Arizona are going to continue to tolerate illegal aliens and the > >> > enormous > >> > financial burden they bring while we cut just about every service to > >> > taxpaying citizens. Similar sentiment is emerging in every state. > >> > Pretending it's not happening or pretending as if this is some > radical > >> > viewpoint isn't going to change those fundamental numbers. Some have > >> > become > >> > very used to this issue behaving in a certain way, but we are *in a > >> > completely different situation now*. There is no more funny money and > >> > no > >> > more credit. > >> > So go ahead and pronounce me a heretic. That will speak loudly to > the > >> > people who want to hear. Im not interested in reaching people like > you. > >> > Im > >> > quite sure Im not the only one who puts zero value on your opinion. > >> > -jmz > >> > > >> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Jim wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Since you obviously continue to not bother even reading, let alone > >> >> understanding, any position other than your own, since you continue > to > >> >> disrespect everything that this mailing list is intended to, and > since > >> >> you > >> >> obviously consider your own opinion supremely more important than > >> >> anyone > >> >> else, I am happy to exercize my right as a list member to never again > >> >> have > >> >> the opportunity to read any of your posts. Good bye, Joshua. > >> >> > >> >> Joshua Zeidner wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> I didn't know that discussing economics was anathema for PLUG. > >> >>> Economics effects Linux and Linux developers. These subjects are > >> >>> bound to > >> >>> come up, we live all live in Arizona. Secondly, I didn't know that > >> >>> you were > >> >>> an official on these matters. Trying to evoke political correctness > >> >>> might > >> >>> score you points in a university classroom, but not here and most > >> >>> certainly > >> >>> not with anyone I respect. So keep telling everyone how utterly > >> >>> intolerable > >> >>> and blasphemous these very important points are. Anyone with half a > >> >>> brain > >> >>> would take that as a clear signal to listen even closer. > >> >>> > >> >>> Finally, anyone who is filtering or making a point of it is most > >> >>> likely > >> >>> an ignoramus who chooses to close his eyes rather than accept the > >> >>> truth, or > >> >>> even worse is invested in lies. Those people are absolutely > dangerous > >> >>> in > >> >>> serious situations and should be avoided in all situations. > >> >>> > >> >>> -jmz > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Jim >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> And the ideologues completely ignore the point - AGAIN! > >> >>> > >> >>> There are important issues that need to be discussed, but the > PLUG > >> >>> mailing list is NOT one of the places where those discussions > >> >>> should take place. If you choose to ignore the principles that > >> >>> this mailing list adheres to, you will either drive people away > or > >> >>> you will find yourself completely filtered out by a large > majority > >> >>> of the people who read this list and expect to find good, honest > >> >>> technology discussions. > >> >>> > >> >>> I guess ignoring everyone else is a hallmark of an ideologue. If > >> >>> they yell louder, or in this case, keep repeating the same > >> >>> irrelevant point, everyone will just have to agree with them. > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >>> > > > >