yes, you can't have order and build value without a clear sense of membership. wouldn't you agree? -jmz On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Jim wrote: > fine Matt - I will sit here and watch the PLUG mailing list degenerate into > everything it was never intended to just because I dont have to read it! > > Grow up! Linux is based on some serious principles! Isnt it time you > exhibited some? > > > matt.nesteruk@gmail.com wrote: > >> if you don't like what's being said don't read it, but don't censor your >> fellow plug members from debating. >> >> -Matt >> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim >> Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:57:17 To: Main PLUG discussion list< >> plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> Subject: Re: Killing PLUG softly >> >> Well said, Alan. >> >> I was there when PLUG reformed and watched it grow into a vibrant part of >> the Linux community. While we all have opinions about a myriad of topics, >> the binding thread of this part of the Linux community, this mailing list, >> is not, never was, and never should be a venue for extended discussions of >> non-Linux-related topics. >> >> When I saw a particular discussion devolve into lies and insulting >> name-calling, I was ashamed! Too bad those who perpetuated that discussion >> would not or could not act sooner. >> >> Here, we are all PLUG! If you dont like being part of PLUG, if you choose >> to degenerate one of the best parts of PLUG into vile ranting and baseless >> accusations, spare the rest of us and take your pettiness elsewhere. >> >> ::steppiung off the soap box:: >> >> Alan Dayley wrote: >> >>> I've stayed out of this latest round of off-topic threads. I am happy >>> to see vibrant discussion. I am unhappy to see personal attacks and >>> other silliness. I'm unhappy to see it go on and on. >>> >>> This is enough. It's just enough. >>> >>> I don't go to a email list or forum on topic A to be drown in >>> discussions about topic W. That topic W may be important, the points >>> and counter-points offered in brilliance and courtesy doesn't matter. >>> If the venue is supposed to be about topic A, the majority of the >>> conversation should be about topic A. Etiquette and respect for the >>> community around the chosen topic dictate that other topics should be >>> minimal. >>> >>> It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about what someone said about >>> some off-topic post. Continuing to reply off-topic such that the main >>> purpose of the community is drowning into the background is >>> disrespectful. Don't do it. For example, it would be rude of me to >>> go to a meeting of alcoholics anonymous and use my turn to talk so >>> that I might espouse the benefits of a vegetarian diet. Don't do it. >>> >>> - Using the delete key is not the answer because that only masks the >>> destruction of the group's purpose. And only masks it for one person. >>> Same with filters. >>> - Flagging as "OT" is helpful but when the OT posts dwarf the >>> purpose-oriented information, such a tag is nearly useless. >>> - Moderation is not the answer because that will suck volunteer's time >>> and smacks of "babysitter-ism" Do we really need to be forced into >>> good manners? Really? >>> >>> This is a Linux email list created by a Linux User Group for the >>> purposes of discussing Linux and subjects directly related to Linux. >>> Period. Politics should only be discussed when it directly effects >>> Linux/OSS/FS use and promotion in some way. To continue all this >>> discussion of boycotts, immigration and the like is killing the core >>> meaning of the group. >>> >>> Stop. Please. >>> >>> Alan >>> --------------------------------------------------- >>> >>