I can respect that Tuna, but keep in mind that people say politically
charged things all the time here without problem.  It's when we arrive at
loaded topics like illegal aliens that suddenly registers as 'trolling'.
 The fact is this issue effects us all, even as developers or Linux users,
and most certainly as Arizonan residents.  Trying to blot out the discussion
is just as caustic.  The fact that David seems tacitly supportive of groups
like La Raza make it even more alarming.

  I don't see why people who hold perfectly valid opinions with regards to
illegal aliens should feel alienated *in their own country*.  Enough of this
PC crap.

  -jmz



On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Tuna <tuna@supertunaman.com> wrote:

> Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Mon May 17 21:44:38 -0700 2010:
> >   To the rest,
> >
> >
> >     you're trying to tell me a few emails in your inbox is so absolutely
> > painful you're going to throw a fit or something?
> >
>
> At the time of writing, this thread is 67 messages long. That's more than a
> few. Easy to ignore in my GMail-style threaded email client, although it
> does
> take about a minute to open this thread.
>
> >     no, you just don't like what is being said...  but guess what- this
> > issue is now front and center and as far as I'm concerned there is no
> > controversy here if you are an concerned Arizonan.
> >
>
> It's not that we don't like it, or even that we don't care. It's simply the
> wrong place, and therefore trolling.
>
> We respect your political opinions, and many of us may even agree. But
> please,
> not on plug-discuss. This is not your personal enraged-chain-mail-list, or
> your
> television audience. This is a (shrinking) group of hobbyists and
> professionals
> that like to talk about Linux.
>
> >
> >   -jmz
> >
> > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:37 PM, Joshua Zeidner <jjzeidner@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >   Tuna,
> > >
> > >     We were discussing macro economic trends that effect all linux
> > > developers as well as issues pertaining to Arizona and Linux.  Just
> because
> > > some deem the issue of illegal aliens to be out of bounds does not mean
> we
> > > terminate the discussion whenever we arrive at the subject.  Of course
> some
> > > people don't like it being discussed.  Those are the people who want to
> > > prevent action from being taken.  There are some of these people on
> this
> > > thread.  How can we discuss anything these days without addressing
> *what is
> > > right in front of our faces every day*!?
> > >
> > >     The fact is everyone, this country is in deep doo doo.  It's not a
> > > laughing matter.  Anyone who was at the Sharpton rally will tell you
> that
> > > these people are violent and they most certainly are un-american.  Our
> state
> > > is broke, as are many other states.  Our ability to maintain our
> technology
> > > sector will rely heavily on our ability to stabilize ourselves
> politically.
> > >  This means *your job*.  It might even be an opportunity to position
> > > ourselves profitably relative to California.  Discussion is absolutely
> > > critical to moving in the right direction.  Don't let people blow the
> issue
> > > out of proportion or try to turn it into some racial battleground.
> > >
> > >     That being said, you may now return to complaining about COX
> service or
> > > whatever other stuff is 'on topic'.
> > >
> > >   -jmz
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Tuna <tuna@supertunaman.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>         /|      _______
> > >>        / |   __--     --__      |\
> > >>        |  \_--            --_  /  |
> > >>        |    )                \/   |
> > >>         \__/                     /
> > >>         )     ________________,-`
> > >>         /          0   ..   0 |
> > >>        /         /|           | ,
> > >>        \   ,__  / |           \/ |
> > >>         \     ```````````````````)
> > >>          \______________________/
> > >>        ILLEGAL ALIEN IS ILLEGAL
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I created this ascii art myself, and hereby release it into the public
> > >> domain.
> > >>
> > >> Congrats, Zeidner.
> > >>
> > >> Excerpts from Joshua Zeidner's message of Sun May 16 12:54:33 -0700
> 2010:
> > >> > Hello PLUG,
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >   I am wondering if anyone is switching off Apple products due to
> the
> > >> recent
> > >> > Los Angeles boycott of Arizona:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-vo
> > >> > te-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html
> > >> >
> > >> > <
> > >>
> http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/05/12/20100512los-angeles-boycott-v
> > >> > ote-over-arizona-immigration-law12-ON.html>
> > >> >  Hopefully
> > >> > they will choose Linux.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -jmz
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>