Sean! Hope to see you at one of our HackFest Security Presentations soon at John C. Lincoln Hospital. Nice to have you in the PLUG. I am sure we can call on your experience as well. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Sean Parsons wrote: > Josh, > I'm already employed as the IT Manager for a local company. We have > MS systems to date and my desire to expand into Linux will eventually carry > this company with me. My background is Telecommunications but I always find > myself back in IT somehow, but anyway the burden for this training is due > to > my own ambition not the company's. I just thought that taking the classes > would help me get up to speed faster. > > Thanks > > Sean Parsons > > > -----Original Message----- > From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joshua > Zeidner > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 7:05 PM > To: dorian.monroe@cox.net; Main PLUG discussion list > Subject: Re: Linux certification > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Dorian Monroe > wrote: > > "Step away from thar server! I'm CERTIFIED!!" > > > > So what does this book say in a few sentences? I can't make it to the > lib > today/tomorrow and don't wanna be kept hangin'. Thanks!! > > It just goes into vetting and relationship management techniques > for knowledge workers of all kinds. In my view, these techniques are > going to attract useless employees, but if these are their standards, > then your work is cut out for you. One thing I notice lately is the > premium HR managers put on workers fresh out of college. The > perception is that someone fresh out of school is more likely to learn > the domain specific skills (read: unmarketable) and generally grow > roots with the company. Once the roots are grown, then we can max out > the code bumper crop! > > Most non-software specific companies have ZERO clue about hiring > people. The general practices certainly changed somewhere between 99 > and 03. There are 'best practices' now, and the key is learning what > those are. The standards are far from obscure, ASMOF you can read > about them for free at phx PL. > > have fun, and learning is half the battle. -jmz > > > > > > Sent from my blackberry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joshua Zeidner > > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:40:39 > > To: Main PLUG discussion list > > Subject: Re: Linux certification > > > > I highly recommend reading this book for a look inside how people > > decide to hire you: > > > > > > http://www.amazon.com/Hiring-Knowledge-Workers-Techies-Nerds/dp/0932633595 > > > > you can get it at Burton Barr library in central PHX. > > > > -jmz > > > > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Sean Parsons > wrote: > >> Jason - Thank you for your response. > >> > >> I have spent the last 4-5 months doing the self paced learning, > checking out every book I can get but it still falls short of complete as > it's one way learning and I can learn faster 2-way, asking > questions-getting > answers. I have the LPI books on library loan to see if I could pass the > test, but seriously I know enough to break a server/workstation better than > a newbie.. :) > >> > >> I want to learn more and need to find a place to get that 2-way > communication so I can get passed this learning curve. I want to replace > 75% > of my windows servers in the next 12 months, but want to be more confident > in my abilities first. > >> > >> Can you recommend a source for linux+, I have centered on Ubuntu > for now as Mandriva and Debian offered me too many challenges, but may be > fine after I get up to speed better. So I don't think the distro is a > factor.... yet. > >> > >> I would love to be the guy to figure out how to play my MS games > in Linux, as it is now my only reason to keep Windows around in a virtual > desktop..... Eventually I'd like to use the disks for target practice.. :} > >> > >> Thanks again for your time. > >> > >> > >> Sean Parsons > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Jason > Spatafore > >> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 1:59 PM > >> To: Main PLUG discussion list > >> Subject: Re: Linux certification > >> > >> Honestly, get Linux+ and play with Linux day in and day out. If you can > >> learn one command, and 3 of that command's most useful options, every > >> week, you will start to move forward fast. It's kind of like collecting > >> weapons in a video game...the more you have, the more versatile you can > >> be. (After 3 years, you'll know 150+ commands...and those 150 commands > >> is a HUGE arsenal of weaponry that can make you extremely versatile.) > >> > >> Do not think you can "certify yourself into the industry". Linux is > >> beyond an organized structure of system administration....it's a thought > >> process. You approach the problem with "what do I need to do?" then "is > >> there a command that already does it?" > >> > >> Linux has a community that creates, explores, challenges, and expands. > >> If you are going to be a part in that community, you must definitely > >> explore...a LOT. > >> > >> That's my advice to anybody who may want to get into Linux. Understand > >> that gaming will be your largest challenge...but you could become one of > >> the people who will change that drawback. > >> > >> All I have is Linux+...there's also LPI. I, myself, refuse to get a > >> distribution specific certification. I want to learn Linux...not one > >> company's translation on how it should be. Of course, you could be > >> different. If so, Red Hat and Novell (SuSE) have certification tracks as > >> well, and they're not for the lighthearted. They're pretty tough, but > >> very focused on *their* distributions. > >> > >> Remember, a Linux technician is beyond a guy who replaces a piece of > >> hardware or a system administrator who manages systems. A person who is > >> known in the Linux community is a combination of hardware technician, > >> programmer, and engineer...with a very good understanding of how all the > >> pieces mix and match. > >> > >> On Sun, 2009-11-01 at 08:55 -0700, Sean Parsons wrote: > >>> Hello all – > >>> > >>> I’m new to the group, but have been working in IT fields for longer > >>> than I want to admit, but I see the error of my ways and I want to > >>> repent and be saved….. I’m considering getting Linux certification. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I am interested in speaking with anyone who has gotten certified, or > >>> can give me any details about local cert classes or testing. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Doorman352 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------- > >>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >>> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- Skype: (623)239-3392 AT&T: (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com