with a forum, the admin could just move the topic to the correct list. :-) _____ From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of mike havens Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:04 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: Handling Politics the plug-discuss way? no one will post to it and it won't stop in the general list..... if I remember right none of the other lists get any traffic; just this one, the one for general discussion. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: PLEASE Add a Political LIST for PLUG members interested in such discussions. On 8/3/09, Bob Elzer wrote: > I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work than > should be necessary. > > This is one reason I thought it would be better to go to a forum. > > With a forum, if the thread goes off course, it can split and moved to the > correct Subject. > > The thread could also be locked if it gets out of hand. > > But best of all when I go to the forum, I see what's new, and I can ignore > all the threads I don't have > an interest in, and when I'm done mark them all read. > > Using a forum cuts down on all the unwanted email being sent to everyone. > > You can still have mail sent to you for topics that you post in. > > Not sure how everyone else feels, but I would prefer if this was a forum. > > Then we can get teamspeak going to replace IRC :P :-) > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On >> Behalf Of Ryan Rix >> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:21 PM >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> Subject: OT: Handling Politics the plug-discuss way? >> >> Group, >> >> Are these political discussions (examples: the second half of >> Re: Guess What, when I relabelled unsuccesfully, and whatever >> happened to the Geeky/entrepreneurial thread) detracting from >> the point of this list (which is to discuss GNU/Linux and >> Free Software, and not necessarily to discuss the economy, >> the government, or conspiracies about whether or not our duly >> elected President was an American or not) and in general >> daunting for people who may be new listers/Linuxers? >> >> Hans agrees with me (via a quick discussion in the IRC >> channel) that these discussions in general detract from the >> list, and make the non-political- flame-war discussions less >> active/less... what is the word... visible, so I think that >> something should be done, or at least a discussion should >> take place about it. >> >> I see a few options: >> 1) We leave it here and do nothing. Most email clients have >> the ability to filter on subject/topic of a discussion, so >> those who didn't want to see/deal with/get drug into these >> discussions could easily filter them out. >> We could create a new topic heading, like we have for OT: >> (politics: or something, when someone posts something >> politically kinda sorta related), allowing those who want to >> take part in these discussions to do so, while the others are >> safely shielded from them. The problem with this is that new >> users will still see these discusions taking place, which >> could, imo be very detrimental to their joining this >> community/getting the help with a question they may need/just >> feeling comfortable. But of course, this is easy enough to do >> and leaves the work for the users who don't like said >> discussions to take care of. >> >> 2) Create another list for these mails. The problem with this >> idea is that >> (imo) mailman has no easy way to control WHERE messages >> between two different lists go, so I think that it could be >> hard to transition between the two lists when a discussion >> does eventually go OT-Political. This would rely mostly on >> the good will and rememberance of the posters, which in the >> experience of the last few OT-Political threads has given me >> the impression that this will NOT work. >> >> 3) We moderate OT threads. My personal opinion is that the >> best way to keep flame wars down is to moderate. Not so much >> eliminate the posts that may incite these political >> discussions but to put a long enough delay on the posts that >> it hampers the quick reply-reply-reply-reply that usually is >> what completely derails thoughtful discussion. If users are >> given the instant chance to write a quick retort to a >> discussion and have that instantly posted to a hundred people >> who may or may not have the same idealogy basically causes a >> thread to go haywire in a matter of hours. With a sufficient >> delay in these posts being sent to the group, this haywiring >> can be pushed out to a day or two, hopefully alleviating any >> flame wars which may develop. Most of the wars that take >> place on p-d are about a day or two long at most anyways. >> >> 4) We forbid it. I think that this is the WORST option, but >> an option nonetheless. I am not in favor of censorship at >> all, but if things get bad enough we could do this. It would >> probably have to fall back to #3. >> >> My personal preference is #3, but that gives someone an extra >> job, and I don't think Hans should have to do it himself. A >> board of moderators be elected perhaps? Is there any way to >> crowdsource it? If this was a forum rather than a mailing >> list (which I don't support at all!) we could add a >> score/rating system, but I don't think that this is possible >> via e-mail. >> >> Thanks and best, >> Ryan Rix >> >> -- >> --- >> Ryan Rix >> (623)-826-0051 >> >> * LG loves czech girls. >> LG: do they have additional interesting "features" >> other girls don't have? ;) >> -- #Debian >> >> http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | >> http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash >> XMPP: phrkonaleash@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash@yahoo.com >> AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash >> IRC: PhrkOnLsh@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and >> countless other FOSS channels. >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html (623)239-3392 (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss -- :-)~MIKE~(-: