no one will post to it and it won't stop in the general list..... if I remember right none of the other lists get any traffic; just this one, the one for general discussion. On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > PLEASE Add a Political LIST for PLUG members interested in such > discussions. > > On 8/3/09, Bob Elzer wrote: > > I've just been deleting the topic on sight. But that is more work than > > should be necessary. > > > > This is one reason I thought it would be better to go to a forum. > > > > With a forum, if the thread goes off course, it can split and moved to > the > > correct Subject. > > > > The thread could also be locked if it gets out of hand. > > > > But best of all when I go to the forum, I see what's new, and I can > ignore > > all the threads I don't have > > an interest in, and when I'm done mark them all read. > > > > Using a forum cuts down on all the unwanted email being sent to everyone. > > > > You can still have mail sent to you for topics that you post in. > > > > Not sure how everyone else feels, but I would prefer if this was a forum. > > > > Then we can get teamspeak going to replace IRC :P :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On > >> Behalf Of Ryan Rix > >> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 10:21 PM > >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> Subject: OT: Handling Politics the plug-discuss way? > >> > >> Group, > >> > >> Are these political discussions (examples: the second half of > >> Re: Guess What, when I relabelled unsuccesfully, and whatever > >> happened to the Geeky/entrepreneurial thread) detracting from > >> the point of this list (which is to discuss GNU/Linux and > >> Free Software, and not necessarily to discuss the economy, > >> the government, or conspiracies about whether or not our duly > >> elected President was an American or not) and in general > >> daunting for people who may be new listers/Linuxers? > >> > >> Hans agrees with me (via a quick discussion in the IRC > >> channel) that these discussions in general detract from the > >> list, and make the non-political- flame-war discussions less > >> active/less... what is the word... visible, so I think that > >> something should be done, or at least a discussion should > >> take place about it. > >> > >> I see a few options: > >> 1) We leave it here and do nothing. Most email clients have > >> the ability to filter on subject/topic of a discussion, so > >> those who didn't want to see/deal with/get drug into these > >> discussions could easily filter them out. > >> We could create a new topic heading, like we have for OT: > >> (politics: or something, when someone posts something > >> politically kinda sorta related), allowing those who want to > >> take part in these discussions to do so, while the others are > >> safely shielded from them. The problem with this is that new > >> users will still see these discusions taking place, which > >> could, imo be very detrimental to their joining this > >> community/getting the help with a question they may need/just > >> feeling comfortable. But of course, this is easy enough to do > >> and leaves the work for the users who don't like said > >> discussions to take care of. > >> > >> 2) Create another list for these mails. The problem with this > >> idea is that > >> (imo) mailman has no easy way to control WHERE messages > >> between two different lists go, so I think that it could be > >> hard to transition between the two lists when a discussion > >> does eventually go OT-Political. This would rely mostly on > >> the good will and rememberance of the posters, which in the > >> experience of the last few OT-Political threads has given me > >> the impression that this will NOT work. > >> > >> 3) We moderate OT threads. My personal opinion is that the > >> best way to keep flame wars down is to moderate. Not so much > >> eliminate the posts that may incite these political > >> discussions but to put a long enough delay on the posts that > >> it hampers the quick reply-reply-reply-reply that usually is > >> what completely derails thoughtful discussion. If users are > >> given the instant chance to write a quick retort to a > >> discussion and have that instantly posted to a hundred people > >> who may or may not have the same idealogy basically causes a > >> thread to go haywire in a matter of hours. With a sufficient > >> delay in these posts being sent to the group, this haywiring > >> can be pushed out to a day or two, hopefully alleviating any > >> flame wars which may develop. Most of the wars that take > >> place on p-d are about a day or two long at most anyways. > >> > >> 4) We forbid it. I think that this is the WORST option, but > >> an option nonetheless. I am not in favor of censorship at > >> all, but if things get bad enough we could do this. It would > >> probably have to fall back to #3. > >> > >> My personal preference is #3, but that gives someone an extra > >> job, and I don't think Hans should have to do it himself. A > >> board of moderators be elected perhaps? Is there any way to > >> crowdsource it? If this was a forum rather than a mailing > >> list (which I don't support at all!) we could add a > >> score/rating system, but I don't think that this is possible > >> via e-mail. > >> > >> Thanks and best, > >> Ryan Rix > >> > >> -- > >> --- > >> Ryan Rix > >> (623)-826-0051 > >> > >> * LG loves czech girls. > >> LG: do they have additional interesting "features" > >> other girls don't have? ;) > >> -- #Debian > >> > >> http://hackersramblings.wordpress.com | > >> http://twitter.com/phrkonaleash > >> XMPP: phrkonaleash@gmail.com | MSN: phrkonaleash@yahoo.com > >> AIM: phrkonaleash | Yahoo: phrkonaleash > >> IRC: PhrkOnLsh@irc.freenode.net/#srcedit,#teensonlinux,#plugaz and > >> countless other FOSS channels. > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > > > -- > http://linuxgazette.net/165/kachold.html > (623)239-3392 > (503)754-4452 www.obnosis.com > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- :-)~MIKE~(-: