Just for those who may not know, a Squid is a motorcyclist who weaves in and out of traffic http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=squid _____ From: Bryan O'Neal [mailto:boneal@cornerstonehome.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 2:19 PM To: 'Main PLUG discussion list' Subject: RE: OT: Speed Cams Of course, if we outlawed cars entirely we would never have auto accidents... And their would be no need to spend all that money on understructure, of course our society based on specialization and cheep transport would also collapse, but hey, they numbers look great ;) Their is a certain amount of responsibility and risk associated with driving, it is why you need to be licensed to do so. The fact that a camera can not distingue between safe maneuvers (merging into open space to the front and right) and dangerous behavior like squidding through traffic, is a problem. _____ From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Grzegorz Furmanek Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:45 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Speed Cams I have to concur with the other critics of speed cameras. Any statistical data generated by the DPS should be carefully examined and verified before making conclusive statements. I do agree speed does play a role in severity of accidents and it should be considered a factor in decreased time for reaction, however the bigger issue is the fact that people do not pay attention to the road to begin with. Some other statistics I have seen show that talking on the phone while driving decreases the reaction time to levels of an intoxicated person. The studies did not even mention dialing the phone. Only talking and it did not really matter if it was hands-free or not. Also one may argue that putting cameras all over the place causes people to pay more attention to spotting the cameras and less on driving itself. Which also is not the optimal for driving. Just my 2 cents. On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Eric Cope wrote: link to those statistics? On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Josef Lowder wrote: On 4/1/09, Bryan O'Neal wrote: > I have no issue with red-light cameras, if they provide a yellow light of > adequate length to safely stop after noticing the light change, say 5 or 6 > seconds. As for the speed cameras, well, I am agenst speed limits and > believe it should be safe and prudent as seen by an officer and confirmed by > a judge. As for the cameras in particular, no one has been able to make > public a report showing they do anything other then annoy drivers. Accidents > have not gone down ... Photo radar saves lives. Period. According to the Arizona State Department of Public Safety, because of photo radar, crashes are down by 12%, injuries have been cut by 17%, and fatality collisions are down by 29% on Phoenix-area highways. No clear-thinking person would want to eliminate photo radar simply because of their personal desire to want to disregard and disobey highway speed laws. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss