Other then Google apps? No. I too would love to know. Their are some issues with Google apps, such as the fact that I can not get contact syncing working with a desktop client. I have tried a number of products like GCalD but have not been able to get them to work with a Google apps account. However, if you can stand using the web client and add the task function it is close enough for a number of people. I too am an accountant (no really I have degrees in accounting and CIS :) so I understand the lock to the windows world. And trust me accounting products like Peachtree and timberline don't run well in wine. _____ From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Eric Cope Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:03 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re:newhotness?) I still haven't seen a list of applications that rival Exchange. I have a client that wants some of the features of exchange, but can't afford it, making him a great candidate for FOSS. I just don't know what packages to use. He would like the scheduling/calendar feature as well as global contact lists. I've tried the poor man's version (CalDAV), but Sunbird and Thunderbird didn't seem to support it well... He is an accountant, meaning he must live in the Windows world for Quickbooks and Peachtree. Any ideas are appreciated. Eric On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Bob Elzer wrote: I remember the ACDSee picture program on Windows, when it first came out, it was the really fast way to view your photos. Now it's a sloth of a program and wastes resources. Which is why I still run the old version. I want something small and fast, to just display my photo, I don't need all that extra crap built in. Exchange has become that sloth, MS wants it to do everything, thus it becomes bloated and slow. Cobbling is really making your system modular, don't need a PIM, don't run one, just need mail, just run that. MS has always had the "Do it ALL in one program" mentality, and they don't mind gobbling up all your resources to do it. Just look at Vista and Windows 7, could someone please explain why the OS went from 4GB in Win Xp to 11GB in Vista and Win 7 ??? without gaining and new usability. Sure it's got nifty graphics, but 7GB worth ? Really can anybody explain where the 7Gb went ? I'd love to get a more powerful machine, but not so I can get back to where I already was with the OS, SO I CAN DO MORE. Just because a client has multiple functions built in, doesn't mean the server has to also. I may be able to disable functions in exchange, but it still uses the resources for those functions. -----Original Message----- From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Craig White Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 11:18 AM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT:Exchange good? - And the flame wars begin (Was:Re:newhotness?) On Tue, 2009-02-24 at 10:43 -0700, Stephen wrote: > It also explains the "cobble" mentality that alot of people have. ---- the 'cobble mentality' is core to open source. Everywhere you turn you find it. The whole notion is that you don't have to supply a dictionary and an engine to access it but rather your program merely uses the aspell api and you have access to a functional spell checker. Each application builds upon the various other libraries that are available. Whereas Linux and open source in general provides software a rich platform to develop (license compatibility withstanding), the Microsoft platform continues to shrink as Microsoft absorbs core applications and technologies either by purchase or by adoption. ---- > so in reviewing what is out there i personally am thinking fedora > federated server, and i think free IPA as the core, because that is a > solid base to start from and will give a very ready path to replacing > MS ad for windows clients. I would consider OpenSUSE but they do not > have a non-commercial AD replacement, only Commercial. ---- again, we are looking towards a monolithic, packaged solution which understandably becomes a corporate driven integration of various open source tools. I suspect at some point in the future, freeipa will be a core service for all but the most die hard Windows shops. All of these tools actually exist today but the neat, single package concept clearly motivates some people...I get that. Recognize though, that any packaging becomes a limiting factor because it dictates setup, configuration and behavior. Craig --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss