On Feb 2, 2009, at 10:10 AM, Joshua Zeidner wrote: > On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 8:25 AM, Alex Dean wrote: >> You are confusing Muslim with Arab. > > how is he confusing them? -jmz The dress standards you cited are specific to UAE. There are many Muslim-majority countries, and Arab-majority countries, where this clothing advice would not be appropriate. Statements like "Heck of a night life they must have, oh wait, their MUSLIM!!!!!" and "I'm saying that they way they treat women. I will not be going." conflate Arab and Muslim, and infer the most conservative social norms (which are most common in a place like Saudi Arabia, but not elsewhere). The link you posted makes it pretty clear that there are a variety of standards within the UAE, nevermind in the wider Arab or Muslim worlds. You quoted a sentence specific to workplace attire, but there are other statements like "Outside work, anything really goes, to a limit. In the malls, many wear jeans and t-shirts or the like, and clubbing gear is as you would expect elsewhere." This matches the first-hand statements I've heard from people traveling in Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. http://www.grapeshisha.com/UAE-National-clothing.html Hooray for me if I score popularity points. That's not my goal, and your sarcasm is unnecessary. I see an important difference here, and I said what I wanted to say about it. Questioning my motives by implying I have some ulterior motive is silly. Craig's point is taken, though. I can just delete this stuff, and I will. I don't have any regrets for pointing out some excessive generalization, but I'm content to be done with it now. Apologies to anyone who found my comments uninteresting or off-base. alex