Devil's Advocate Day: http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/at-least-we-dont-have-any-viruses.html http://linux-haters-redux.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-linux-is-not-more-secure-than.html www.Obnosis.com | http://wiki.obnosis.com | http://hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 PLUG HACKFESTS - http://uat.edu Second Saturday of Each Month Noon - 3PM From: bob.elzer@gmail.com To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Subject: RE: OT: Redmond Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:04:22 -0700 And lets not forget about DRM and the logs that Vista/Win7 will be keeping. I can't wait for DRM, it's mind boggling trying to make decisions of what I want to watch or listen to, DRM takes those hard decisions out of my hands and tells me I shouldn't be watching or listening to, this will make my life so much easier. And if one of those nasty unallowed files does sneak through, and I forget about it, win 7s hidden log files will make sure no one else does. It just make life so much easier :-) From: plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us] On Behalf Of Joe Fleming Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:07 PM To: Main PLUG discussion list Subject: Re: OT: Redmond I don't know that they are specifically targeting that market. I mean, most of the netbooks run vista already. Run over the Fry's if you don't believe me..... all of their netbooks on display are running vista. It was enough to make me not want to buy any of them, but I digress. I've read the m$ has claimed that the reason most of them can't is because of the lack of storage space, a problem that 7 clearly doesn't solve. As for the storage space, my Ubuntu install is using about 10GB right now. Of course, that's with an office suite, a webserver, a few websites, my email, a bunch of pictures and documents accumulated over the 2 years it's been installed (over 3GB in my home directory right now)...... that's kind of the same, right? I mean, kinda, right? For the life of me I can't understand how the hell they use up so much space for JUST the operating system! As an aside, I read that IE8 uses more memory that the whole of XP too. Crazy. -Joe keith smith wrote: So can we speculate that M$ is making Vista/win7 less resource intensive so it can compete in the netbook environment. I understand it takes up about 10 Gigs of space. Would be nice to have an O/S that requires less and is more efficient. Maybe we can recycle some old hardware :) ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Josh Coffman wrote: From: Josh Coffman Subject: Re: OT: Redmond To: "Main PLUG discussion list" Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:59 AM From what I hear, and this is from .Net devs who are running win7, its described as "Vista without the crap". It performs nearly as fast as WinXP and with far lighter hardware requirements than Vista. (which isn't hard) From the screenshots I've seen, it has a lighter look and feel that Vista, but that's just "make-up". I'm going to make a vmware machine with it so I'll see for myself. Since it will be on the same machine (mac) as my WinXP vm (which I do use a lot), I'll be able to compare them easily. Vista was a near daily frustration, either I've gotten used to the pain or its gotten a little less painful. Probably both. I still don't like Vista. I have to deal with it though. So I hope Win7 is better, a lot better, because windows a part of my job. As an aside, I use Vista, WinXP, and Mac OSX a lot. Ubuntu holds itws own againts all of them. I've read some people think Win7 is a linux killer (speaking of the netbook market). I don't buy that at all. -j On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Joe Fleming wrote: I'm really curious what all the fuss over windows 7 is all about. I mean, it's just vista with a few changes, and from what I can tell those changes are pretty small. I always think it's funny seeing sites talk about how bad vista is and how much better 7 is, considering it's really nothing more than a point release/service pack with a new name. Apparently m$ actually DOES know how to play the marketing game. It'll be interesting to see how it's received by consumers and the press when it's finally released I guess. Me, I still don't have any problem running XP; works beautifully in VirtualBox ;). -Joe James Finstrom wrote: I like to imagine it is because I am important or that its because I went to church with many Microsoft cube gnomes when I lived in Washington but none of these things are true simply because I am on a Microsoft Spam list I got an invitation and license to download and play with Windows 7 beta. So let me share the expierience and overview so far I like things with the word free even if it is only as in beer and only for a short time, Anyhow with fear and the smell of danger that acompanies all things that say Microsoft and Beta in the same typography I clicked the shiny banner answered a few questions and got a key + link. the minimum requirements say 1Gig ram and 128M video and blah blah something something okay whatever click.... Anyhow the download comes up says this could take several days depending on your provider and the download size is...... 2.44 GIG holy redhat batman I need to go buy a dvd to burn this down to, well so much for free. Anyhow it is chewing up some bandwith that can be better allocated but I am going to grab it if for nothing else just to see if http://xkcd.com/528/ is true... 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