I believe that civil suits are our responsibility - they drive the legislative process and provide for change. Heck, I even take on landlords, illegal actions from parking enforcement, and think in terms of YouTube or Podcasting events that create that terrible feeling that I am living in communist Russia. www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | (503)754-4452 January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department of Economic Security Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:34:47 -0800 From: klsmith2020@yahoo.com Subject: RE: OT: HackFest Series - Radar Obedience To: lisakachold@obnosis.com Interestingly enough the 6th Amendment is about criminal violations as is the 5th. In Arizona almost every traffic violation is a civil offense. It has been years since I have dealt with this stuff, however if the court issues a criminal warrant based on a civil traffic violation then I'm thinking this must open the 6th Amendment to due process. The government can't just put fines on you without some recourse. Sounds like a nice law suit. Problem is us common folk do not have the resources. This is a place where the lawyers should put in some free time and effort into changing the system for the common good. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Sun, 1/4/09, Lisa Kachold wrote: From: Lisa Kachold Subject: RE: OT: HackFest Series - Radar Obedience To: klsmith2020@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 8:15 AM And include traffic violations? In Oregon, people end up with thousands of dollars of traffic violations on their records, often discovering years after they moved. There just is no way to fight it. No rules enforced for notification for a ticket that can amount to between $30.00 and $350.00. www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | (503)754-4452 January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department of Economic Security Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:21:46 -0800 From: klsmith2020@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: HackFest Series - Radar Obedience To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Interesting read. In 1981 I was certified on doppler traffic radar. In 1984 I attended a class the verified I was able to verify speed within a reasonable tolerance. During the time the operators experience was far more important than the radar unit. The radar unit was a verification. I think there needs to be a class action law suit to take down the traffic radar and to make restitution to those ticketed. If speeding is an issue bring in the uniforms and the undercover traffic units. Also I'm thinking there must be a 6 or 14 amendment due process violation if you are given a ticket and a collection agency send you a notice to pay up. ------------------------ Keith Smith --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Lisa Kachold wrote: From: Lisa Kachold Subject: OT: HackFest Series - Radar Obedience To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 6:50 PM Hacking radar ticketing implemented to increase revenue while combating historical epidemic motor vehicle civil disobedience* in Arizona Innovative daily notification via Google Maps & offering email notification (from php/javascript site) for all public information locations of cameras in Arizona http://radarrover.com "Build it yourself" GPS Device using Camera Database: http://hem.bredband.net/b502104/ Cheetah C100 Radar Photo Alert System (Uses the Trinity database): http://www.radarbusters.com/photo-radar/gps-speed-camera-detectors/cheetahc100photocameraalertsystem.cfm Mini-Coyote (Drivers update a database to alert each other): http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/19100/20124/dashboard-gadget-speed-camera-info.phtml Obfuscating License Plate Covers: http://www.radarbusters.com/photo-radar/license-plate-shields/6524+6528+4293856170.cfm Jammers Overview: http://www.copradar.com/preview/chapt7/ch7d1.html#detdet Laser Blinding Security Cameras: http://www.c-h-a-o-s.com/2007/08/11/sniping-the-security/ Ticket Defenses: http://highwayrobbery.net/ http://photoradarscam.com/getout.php Thin Blue Line: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/25/2530.asp Camera Driver Arrested for DUI Cruise Control: Arizona cameras start to ticket at 11 miles over the speed limit. Most cameras are placed in an unexpected speed Zone. Using cruise control with a combination of GPS Database or RadarRover might be required for the less astute and out of town driver? *http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Literature/Thoreau/CivilDisobedience.html www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | (503)754-4452 January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department of Economic Security Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. Get your HotmailŪ account now. --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. 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