Course, I guess we could still live in France or Canada and work for Sun (although their tax structure is high also)? I am sure there's still someplace in New Zealand or Ireland that doesn't have a punitive profit based tax structure. Course, I think the economic variables can all be fed into a futurist super computer and REAL solution arrived at complete with graphs and milestones, legislation and trade mandates? Or is the FFEF The Foundation for Economic Freedom, or some other similar laise faire think tanks bankrupt also? www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department of Economic Security Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM Take the Black [Linux BT3] Pill & leave SecurityMatrix, or take the Blue [XP/Vista Pill] & stay happily ignorant. > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:24:20 -0700 > From: jjzeidner@gmail.com > To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > Subject: Re: Linux Administration > > The cost of living would be much lower if we weren't taking tax > money to prop up real estate prices. -jmz > > On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Lisa Kachold wrote: > > That's enough to feed 4 children and a grandparent in India. Who cares what > > is in America? > > > > www.Obnosis.com | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | > > hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 > > ________________________________ > > January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department of Economic Security > > Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM > > Take the Black [Security] Pill & leave IT-Marketing-Matrix, or take the Blue > > [MS Upgrade] Pill & stay happily ignorant... > > > >> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 15:31:55 -0800 > >> From: eculbert@yahoo.com > >> Subject: RE: Linux Administration > >> To: plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > >> Yep, and that's $1 below the new minimum wage starting at midnight! > >> > >> 73 > >> > >> Ed/ke7feg ....Now that November is here, April can wait! > >> > >> On 2/23/2007 the morse code requirement was dropped for getting > >> a ham license. Now just pass the written exams which are on the > >> web at arrl.org for questions and http://www.kb0mga.net/exams/ > >> > >> > >> --- On Wed, 12/31/08, Jason wrote: > >> > >> > From: Jason > >> > Subject: RE: Linux Administration > >> > To: "Main PLUG discussion list" > >> > Cc: klsmith2020@yahoo.com > >> > Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 1:14 PM > >> > I want to spend $250/month but I want you *available* 12 > >> > hours/day? > >> > Now, I can do it for $250/month retainer, billable hours at > >> > $50/hour > >> > with a 1 hour minimum per contact. So, once you have my > >> > attention for 5 > >> > hours, you pay more. > >> > > >> > That's the way I would run the agreement. > >> > > >> > He even states an estimate of 10 hours/week. So, that > >> > translates to > >> > $6.25/hour. > >> > > >> > Pretty comical. :) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Tue, 2008-12-30 at 04:51 +0000, Lisa Kachold wrote: > >> > > I worked 60 hours a week at $30,000 in 1995 at an ISP. > >> > > > >> > > Working with people who could juggle 20 projects with > >> > laughing ease, > >> > > rebuild a 24X7 server and swap IP Addresses, knowing > >> > how to clear the > >> > > arp cache on everything (which we, of course had > >> > access to, > >> > > controlling all routers, switches and firewalls) > >> > pretty much ruined > >> > > me. > >> > > > >> > > I also have some contempt for the American who > >> > egotistically holds > >> > > down a chair, after working with dull and > >> > inexperienced, yet extremely > >> > > motivated Hindis. > >> > > > >> > > www.Obnosis.com | > >> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | > >> > > hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > > January PLUG HackFest = Kristy Westphal, AZ Department > >> > of Economic > >> > > Security Forensics @ UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ > >> > > Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:09:37 -0700 > >> > > From: mike@garfias.org > >> > > To: klsmith2020@yahoo.com; > >> > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > > Subject: Re: Linux Administration > >> > > > >> > > What a dork. And expecting good people for that much? > >> > Jeez. Maybe if > >> > > I was a junior guy and needed beer money it might be > >> > ok, but no > >> > > thanks. > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:58 PM, keith smith > >> > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > I see this stuff from time to time. He is in > >> > for a rude > >> > > awakening since they are asleep while we are > >> > awake. > >> > > > >> > > Funny thing is the phone shops are starting to > >> > come back to > >> > > the US. > >> > > > >> > > Even though I can hire a PHP programmer for $5 > >> > - $12 and hour > >> > > offshore I would never. I've seen their > >> > work and I'll pass. > >> > > Not to mention the copyright issues that > >> > arise. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------ > >> > > Keith Smith > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- On Sun, 12/28/08, Lisa Kachold > >> > > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > From: Lisa Kachold > >> > > >> > > > >> > > Subject: RE: Linux Administration > >> > > To: klsmith2020@yahoo.com, > >> > > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > > Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 6:25 > >> > PM > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I personally was slightly aghast that > >> > people were > >> > > offering to provide offshore based > >> > linux > >> > > administration for $250 for a month? > >> > > > >> > > Did you see that? > >> > > > >> > > www.Obnosis.com | > >> > > > >> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | > >> > > hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ______________________________________________________ > >> > > January PLUG HackFest = Kristy > >> > Westphal, AZ Department > >> > > of Economic Security Forensics @ UAT > >> > 1/10/09 12-3PM > >> > > Take the Black [Linux BT3] Pill & > >> > leave > >> > > SecurityMatrix, or take the Blue > >> > [XP/Vista Pill] & > >> > > stay happily ignorant. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ______________________________________________________ > >> > > Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:00:32 -0800 > >> > > From: klsmith2020@yahoo.com > >> > > Subject: Re: Linux Administration > >> > > To: > >> > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > I'm not sure what you are trying > >> > to tell us Lisa. > >> > > Please be more verbose. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > ------------------------ > >> > > Keith > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- On Sat, 12/27/08, Lisa Kachold > >> > > wrote: > >> > > From: Lisa Kachold > >> > > >> > > Subject: Linux Administration > >> > > To: > >> > plug-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > >> > > Date: Saturday, December 27, > >> > 2008, 7:02 PM > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/Linux/Level-System-Admin-for-EST.html > >> > > > >> > > www.Obnosis.com | > >> > > > >> > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Citations:obnosis | > >> > hackfest.obnosis.com (503)754-4452 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ______________________________________________ > >> > > January PLUG HackFest = Kristy > >> > Westphal, AZ > >> > > Department of Economic > >> > Security Forensics @ > >> > > UAT 1/10/09 12-3PM > >> > > Take the Black [Linux BT3] > >> > Pill & leave > >> > > SecurityMatrix, or take the > >> > Blue [XP/Vista > >> > > Pill] & stay happily > >> > ignorant. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > ______________________________________________ > >> > > Send e-mail faster without > >> > improving your > >> > > typing skills. 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