This seems reasonable :) On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Mike Schwartz wrote: > I think it would be preferable to have the decisions made > by the moderator, not be [normally] decisions to KILL a given > post or thread "completely", but rather, just result in -- at worst -- > the post or thread getting "moved" to another discussion list, > (maybe call it the "PLUG-Alt" list). > THIS WAY, they would > *still* get mailed out -- and archived! -- just not on the main > "PLUG-Discuss" list! > This way, it would be much LESS of an emotional issue, > when a certain decision got made by a moderator. > (a decision that, [let's say], someone disagreed with!). > Also: maybe the moderator should have the option to > ["suggest" that the poster (/ author) should] > **modify the "Subj:" header** of a given message, > e.g. to add "OT: " to the beginning of it. > OR, maybe, just to make it more helpful / correct. > We could allow that, the poster could always > "decline" to do so, but being stubborn and "refusing" > to go along with the suggestion, might tend to > lead to stuff getting transferred to the PLUG-Alt list. > (Not a too severe of a consequence). > Those who choose to do so, can subscribe to BOTH lists. > Those whose post got "moved" to the PLUG-Alt list, > could ask to "appeal" the decision, via a message to some > committee (which should probably reside on the PLUG-Alt list!), > but that would not be as big a deal, > since no matter what gets decided, > we are not talking about ANY posts getting censored completely, > we are just talking about [maybe] getting moved to a different list. > Also, all of that "appealing" [**"if"** any!] (see above) > would all happen outside the visibility of most readers, > who don't want to be bothered with it. > Also (*IMPORTANT), all of the "appealing", > (along with all of the flaming, or other posts > that got "moved" to the PLUG-Alt list, > as determined by the moderator) > (maybe including some "OT" posts?...) > would *also* (!) remain **outside** the visibility > of most "new" or "prospective" [possible future] > readers of the main "PLUG-Discuss" list! > so, they would not get disgusted / a bad impression, > due to accidentally tuning in > on a day when some very severe flaming > (or, whatever) was taking place. > Again of course, this is just my 0.02, > but I think this idea would help to satisfy those who do > ["seem" to] want to flame each other, > or want to discuss "OT: " topics, > while not bothering (very much) the "general public". > (Hey! "general public" -- ! ...is that what the "GP" in "GPL" > stands for? Woo-Hoo!) > -- > Mike Schwartz > Glendale AZ > schwartz@acm.org > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Ryan Rix wrote: > > > > HI Alan, > > > > Though I am a high school student, most nights I am available to moderate > > discussions of this sort. Perhaps stick all OT in a moderation queue and > let > > someone (even if it's not me, honestly I am indifferent on you nominating > me, > > if that's what you meant to do) pick through and eliminate sketchy ones. > It's > > imperfect but obviously it works better than our current setup. However, > the > > monthly publication is a good idea, though I find that monthly may be too > > often. > > Maybe semimonthly, but make all new registrations read it and agree under > > threat of removal from the list? > > > > Honestly, it sucks to see something like this, but something must indeed > be > > done. > > > > Best, > > Ryan > > > > -- > > Thanks and best regards, > > Ryan Rix > > TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog > > > > I support Debian [...] > > > > On Wed November 5 2008 09:40:15 pm Alan Dayley wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Ryan Rix > wrote: > > > > I agree, this, imo, immature bickering [...] > > > > needs to stop. [...] > > > > I suggest making a rule, at least, not to touch: > > > > > > > > *Politics > > > > *Religion > > > > > > I agree with this. > > > > > > > These posts will get either moderated or just plain dropped. > > > > > > Are you offering to be moderator? [...] > > > > > > I'm not trying to [...] > > > > > > > Any other ideas? > > > > > > The ideas I like most are: > > > > > > *Self moderation out of respect for the group and the topic of the > > > list. This means don't make off-topic posts. > > > *Community moderation, which usually works. This means respond to > > > off-topic posts only to ask them to stop. > > > > > > Both of the above broke down on this, the day after a hard-fought and > > > historic election. We must re-enforce them. > > > > > > Maybe a monthly publication of expected participation activity would > > > be appropriate. > > > > > > Alan > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - [...] > -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace.