Nobody was forced to take part in a 2-party system. Don't argue that a 3rd party candidate is a waste of vote. Face it, your vote is infinitesimally small, in fact 1 in a million. The idea of voting for lesser of two evils has delivered a president with a 30% approval rating and a Congress with a 19% approval rating. We, as a people, need to determine our own values and vote based on these values, not trying to prevent someone else from getting in office. Its not a horse race. Eric On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Wednesday 05 November 2008 12:18:18 Josh Coffman wrote: > > mute.. mute mute dammit, gmail. ok fine.. > > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Josh Andler wrote: > > > > > I find the irony in quoting a Democrat when trying to defend > Republicans > > > to be quite amusing. :P > > > > > > > If your measure were based on the values represented by the quote and not > > the party of the speaker, then you would not find it ironic. > > > > > > > > > > mike havens wrote: > > > > Self interest? Whatever happened to, "Ask not what your country can > do > > > > for you; but for what you can do for your country," and to the > > > > STATESMAN mindset rathedr than to the politician mindset. > > > > > > > > > > > This list if full of individuals with widely varying views, and arguments > > such as this will do little to change the mind of most of us. Despite > that, > > I grow tired of ignorant statements. > > > > Obama won't tax those making less than 300k, then 250k, then 150k, then > > 120k.. Did know one else notice that? Does no one else remember Clinton's > > 1992 campaign on middle class tax cuts and making the "rich pay their > fair > > share"? Does no one else remember that Clinton then announced there will > be > > no tax cuts on Jan 15th, 1993 before he was even sworn in? Does no one > else > > remember Clinton's largest tax increase in US history? > > > > If you hang your hopes and dreams on any politician (Dem, Repub, or > > otherwise), you will be sorely disappointed. > > > > Obama isn't going to give tax cuts, though he may further increase tax > > refunds given to those not paying taxes. If you haven't been paying > > attention, the Bush tax cuts are temporary and will expire soon. This > will > > bring back the death tax, increase capital gains tax rates, and > > substantially increase tax rates across the board. Congress has no > > intention of making the Bush tax cuts permanent. It will be easy for > Obama > > to claim he want to give people a break, and blame Congress for not > giving > > him a bill or whatever excuse. That's politics. Obama isn't any > different, > > and may actually be among the worst of them. Look, he's offered a > cabinet > > to Rahm "f--- them" Emanual. > > > > I don't blame people for wanting to kick the Republicans to the curb; > it's > > just unfortunate that they've marred the values I stand for but which > they > > didn't actually uphold. If you look around the world and at our own > > history, it should be pretty obvious that government and bureacracy can't > > fix your life. The best thing it can do is provide for defense and equal > > opportunity then get out of your way. > > > > Do you actually trust the government to run more programs and in anyway > make > > decisions for you with the track record they have? Deficit, Iraq war > > pre-surge, Afghanistan right now, social security, welfare, healthcare > laws > > and regulation, 8000 pages of tax code (wtf?), bridge to nowhere, > > subsidizing wooden arrows in a bank bail out bill, the bank bail out > > itself.. seriously? > > > > For the liberals, congratulations for the most liberal admin and congress > in > > us history. Good luck with that. For the neo-cons, thanks, appreciate it > > (not). For the conservatives, like myself, this will bring clarity. That > is > > a good thing. > > > > In the end, this is still America. I, for one, am still proud to be an > > American and love this country for things like election. It is a major > > political shift, and it is a peacful one. > > > > Now, lemme try that gmail mute thing again. > > > > -j > > > > > Good post. I agree with most of what you said. I did not like either > candidate, but being forced to take part in a two party system, I had to > pick which one I thought was better for the country, and I will not lie and > say my Bible had nothing to do with it. Some of Obama's ideas are fine. Same > with Mccain. Some of them are really quite scary! Same with Mccain. None of > which is anything Bush wouldn't or hasn't already done himself. > > Nonetheless, the media ran out Ron Paul so he never had a chance. It's > unfortunate, but this is the mess we are stuck with. > I will quote you because I think you said it well... > > In the end, this is still America. I, for one, am still proud to be an > > American and love this country for things like election. It is a major > > political shift, and it is a peacful one > > nathan > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss >