Alex,

   be nice to the Boomers.  They had this 'communism' stuff drilled into
their heads as small children.

 -jmz

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Alex Dean <alex@crackpot.org> wrote:

> On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:15 AM, mike havens wrote:
>
>  A couple of days ago, here in florida, a woman was thankful because she
>> sees a time on the near horizon when, 'I won't have to worry about putting
>> food on my table or putting gas in my car.' She wants socialism! She, and
>> like minded people, didn't pay attention durring the USSRs regin, nor do the
>> understand cuba or other communist places. You think communism is not
>> socialism? Please, explain to me the difference.
>>
>
> What kind of explanation do you want?  Academically, I believe communism is
> joint ownership of everything by all, while socialism is ownership of
> everything by the state.  (Instead of 'everything' I should say 'the means
> of production', but that phrase doesn't mean much unless you read Marx,
> which I haven't done since college.)
>
> We just had an election with record turnout, and Obama won quite
> convincingly.  McCain himself called Obama an honorable man, and offered him
> all the support he can.  Whatever looming disaster you may see, you are in
> the minority.
>
> Let's argue issues, not vague buzzwords like 'socialist'.  We can go back
> and forth about campaign promises, but I'll take it all seriously when it's
> actually in Congress.  The devil's always in the details, and arguing the
> surface points ('socialism!', 'free markets!', whatever) is basically 'my
> dad can beat up your dad' kind of stuff.
>
> We should be one country, and not just when your guy wins or my guy wins.
>  If that's the approach you're committed to, and you won't so much as listen
> to a different idea because of who it comes from, then I guess we won't have
> much to discuss.  But that's not how this country is supposed to work.  The
> sky is not falling, however dire our situation might be.
>
> alex
>
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