there were some stories where some of the survivors of the Pentagon scene were actually watching the WTC news coverage when the struck the Pentagon. -jmz On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Dan Lund wrote: > I guess the real question is why did the people in the pentagon and > the trade centers stay in the same spot when they say the planes > coming!!! everyone should run!!! > (joking) > > Thanks, > Dan Lund > It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it > to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to > act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have > free scope. > -Niccolo Machiavelli > > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Joshua Zeidner > wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Alan Dayley > wrote: > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Joshua Zeidner > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > but the fact that these people haven't showed up would indicate to > an > >> > objective mind that perhaps we don't have the full story. There have > >> > been > >> > quite a few credible stories of 911 witnesses being harassed and > >> > threatened. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rZ_K67OHWw > >> > > >> > this isn't a new take on this subject, but the fact that we have > >> > someone > >> > right here who claims to possess such evidence, but refuses to produce > >> > it is > >> > a bit disconcerting. His alibi: that people mock and deride him when > he > >> > posts the pictures. If anything he will be mocked if he doesn't post > >> > the > >> > pictures. > >> > >> Not-so-hypothetical situation: > >> > >> A amateur photograph is presented. Taken in a room of any abandoned > >> house, there is an artifact of light to one side that looks remarkably > >> like a see-through woman in an old fashioned dress. > >> > >> The believer will point out all the reasons, some very logical, why > >> this is a picture of a ghost. The skeptic will point out all the > >> reasons, some very logical, why it is some flare or flaw in the film > >> or something and therefore not a ghost. > >> > >> Neither will convince the other, no matter how long they discuss. > >> Why? Because they each see through their own prejudices and beliefs. > >> They each see their own truth. > > > > just a quick point... its an asymmetrical conflict. On one hand you > have > > an 'official' investigation with a (semi) consistent story and credible > > official testimony. On the other hand you have a mob of angry theorists > > speaking at varying levels of anonymity, some which may be correct, all > > being considered as one group that shares the same level of credibility. > I > > certainly feel there is some kind of subterfuge going on here, but that > > doesn't mean that I agree with every person who disagrees with the 911 > > Commission Report. > > > >> Now to the topic at hand: While I too question and wonder about all > >> the events surrounding 9/11/2001, I generally think the people on the > >> two extremes of the discussions will never reconcile. And, no matter > >> the evidence presented, including silly government actions like > >> confiscating video and film, very few will ever change sides or > >> convince one to believe the other story. > >> > >> If Charles does or does not produce photos, it will do little to > >> decide the debate here or in the world at large. > > > > Given that he did just post his pictures... the fact remains there is > no > > compelling evidence of a plane hitting the pentagon. Any reasoning > > individual would question the fact that something as big as a plane would > > likely leave incontrovertible evidence if it struck such an important > > building in such a crowded area. Charles claims he did see a plane, and > one > > interesting thing I just noticed on the CNN video- this person is saying > the > > the plane 'stopped short' of the Pentagon, so does seem to agree that a > > plane was there as Charles corroborates. > > > > > >> > >> The believers will > >> continue to believe and the skeptics won't. And if emotions run high > >> in an unproductive debate the only result will be broken > >> relationships. > > > > There is a controversy, and there is a truth behind it. -jmz > > > > > > -- > > "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War > IV > > will be fought with sticks and stones." --Albert Einstein > > > > - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------- > > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > > > --------------------------------------------------- > PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us > To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail settings: > http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss > -- "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." --Albert Einstein - http://www.joshuazeidner.com/