Your rig should have plenty of power for those games. :-) From some Cedega release notes: " 64-bit Linux distributions Since Cedega is intended to run standard 32-bit Windows games, it is by nature a 32-bit application. When running Cedega on a 64-bit Linux system, an appropriate 32-bit compatibility environment must be available. Please see the documentation for your Linux distribution to learn more about running 32-bit applications on your system. Additionally the following items may be of note: - ALSA 1.0.11 or later is required in order to have working mmap support for ALSA on 64-bit kernels. If you have an earlier version of ALSA you should either disable mmap, or upgrade your ALSA drivers. - Depending on your system, you may also need to install 32-bit OpenGL drivers. Please run the video system tests to determine if you have working 32-bit OpenGL drivers. - Joysticks may not be working with 64-bit kernels. On recent kernels (e.g. 2.6.16) you may be able to get working 32-bit joystick via the Linux 2.2 interface. In order to use this, you must modprobe the ``joydev'' module. However it is not possible to get force feedback via this older interface. " On Jan 10, 2008 10:31 AM, Erich Newell wrote: > This sounds highly promising. I will be looking into it once I'm all > packed and set to move (I'm moving to SF next month). Mostly I want to > play FarCry, Uru and a couple other older games so I'm guessing > they're more likely to be supported. My Gamebox / MythTV Backend / > Rainbow Cracker / DVD Ripper / FTA Satellite Receiver is an Opteron > 180, 4GB RAM with an NVidia 7800GS...hopefully enough power. In any > case, right now I'm running SpinRite on my main rig because of some > weird EMASK errors that keep wrecking my RAID6 just to make sure it is > a software bug and not actual hardware flaking out... > > Another thought comes to mind: Are there any issues running 32bit > compatible Wine/Cedega on a 64bit platform that you're aware of? > > Regarding the other bit: I *highly* recommend UrbanTerror. The > graphics are a bit dated, but the gameplay is fantastic and much > better than the original counterstrike in my book (it uses Q3A physics > with a 125fps cap). I recommend the FSK405 servers (My nick is > FSK405|BRC :) and the BD server as well. The community isn't all that > large as the game is so old, but I take this as a positive because > there are a majority of mature players online rather than the vast > numbers of whiny, small ego-ed, punks one finds populating most FPS > game servers. Oh...and did I mention it runs AWESOME on Linux? There > is even a 64bit binary that works flawlessly...also, being such an old > game one can play it on old hardware...in case you want to have > multiple gameboxen in your house and want to build them from old > hardware. > > P.S. Once you're comfortable with the game, there is an advanced > player map called Superman...which is fun to run around on and > discover even without a game in progress. Check it out. > > > > On Jan 9, 2008 9:33 PM, Patrick C wrote: > > That seems like a very interesting idea with VMWare. Another option to > > consider is CDEMU, which supports mounting Alcohol images (which are > able to > > contain tricks to make them act like copyrighted discs). The problem for > > that would be in getting Cedega to recognize CDEMU as a CD-ROM drive. > The > > issue, though, doesn't lie in the emulation software; Cedega implements > the > > copy-protection stuff such that you can use the original disc > successfully. > > > > Thanks for reminding me of UrbanTerror. I've read about it before, but > later > > forgot. I'll give it a whirl, and if it's (close to) as good as > > Counter-Strike, I'll use it as a replacement. As far as running Steam > games > > under Linux, there are only a few things to consider: > > > > Which emulation software will you use? > > If you use the partially proprietary Cedega, you have a bit more of a > > guarantee, and maybe better performance. On the other hand, if you > choose > > Wine, you will probably have comparable support, but more difficulty > setting > > up. Wine vs Cedega performance used to lean hard in Cedega's favor, but > Wine > > has made leaps in DirectX support recently, and is often as good as or > > better than Cedega, performance-wise. It's also free, and more commonly > > updated. Read up on the Cedega forums at transgaming.org (or maybe it's > > forums.cedega.com) before you decide whether or not to invest in it > (it's > > pretty cheap, though, so I wouldn't worry as long as you remember to > cancel > > and save your little installer file). > > > > Do the games you want to run have OpenGL support? > > If they do, you can actually get very close to native performance, as > the > > graphics calls (often the most demanding as far as computation work) are > > native. If you're not sure if your games have an OpenGL option, read > around > > online. Any game that also has a Mac version has an OpenGL option. > > Experiment with OpenGL vs DirectX; different games work better with one > or > > the other. > > > > Some Steam-specific tips: > > -Steam games have options that can greatly affect performance, > especially > > under Wine/Cedega. You can, for example, specify which DirectX version > you'd > > like to use, resolution, and heap-size in the call to Steam (used by > game > > shortcuts). You can find the command line options documentation for > Valve > > games here. > > -Steam uses the Microsoft core fonts, which Wine does not come with! > Neither > > does Ubuntu, or any other free distribution. Look around for the > appropriate > > packages, or install the TTFs in your Wine font folder manually. > Otherwise, > > you end up with a blank steam interface. > > -Steam (but not the games) performance can be greatly affected by Wine's > > scheduler options. > > -Source games may have some sound issues. > > > > For more detailed help on these Steam problems/workarounds, visit the > Wine > > AppDB, which should have you covered. :-) > > > > As far as performance... if you're barely running the games under > Windows, > > don't attempt them under Linux. If you can run them on max settings, > > depending on the game's age, you will either be able to run them on max > > settings with slightly less performance or on lower settings with > comparable > > performance, but either way, playability is a sure bet. Of course, the > usual > > issues with Linux game performance also apply (you'll want your vendor's > > proprietary 3D drivers, etc). > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 5:58 PM, Erich Newell wrote: > > > Hmm. It would be a total hack...but if they allow mounting of the > > > drives via the network, you could run VMWare with windoze...mount the > > > ISO via DaemonTools and share it out? > > > > > > I don't have games with these requirements any longer. Actually, the > > > newest game I play is UrbanTerror 4.1, which is based on Quake3 > > > (ioQuake)...I'd like to try the newer games, but not enough to guinea > > > pig their feasibility under reenix. > > > > > > What Steam-based games work and what horsepower is needed? What's the > > > performance hit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 5:23 PM, Patrick C wrote: > > > > I've actually done a LAN party from Linux, myself, so I could talk > to > > you > > > > about that. As for D-Tools vs `mount -t iso9660 -o loop`, the > > > > copy-protection features used by many modern games are unsupported > > > > (nonexistent) on Linux. Cedega provides these services, but does not > > support > > > > mounting ISO images. (I've tried editing the configuration files by > > hand, > > > > too.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:53 PM, Erich Newell > wrote: > > > > > Awesome to hear. I'd like to pick his brain on how he has some of > the > > > > > games configured...as far as the "cons": Wine can be fooled into > > > > > mounting ISOs as CDROM drives by first mounting them as loop > devices > > > > > under fstab and then adding them using winecfg. > > > > > > > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Who needs daemon tools? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 8, 2008 3:41 PM, Patrick C < patrick.pxc.c@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > > > I just thought I'd throw this out there, since it's related... > > > > > > > > > > > > I just threw a LAN party on the 31st with about 18 people. One > of > > those > > > > > > people ran Linux (Ubuntu 7.10) for the reason that he couldn't > > install > > > > > > Windows on his computer. He said that his Windows XP license is > an > > > > upgrade > > > > > > from a Windows 98 license which is also an upgrade license, and > > nothing > > > > > > older than that recognizes his CD-ROM drive. He already had most > of > > the > > > > > > games we were going to play (some recent, some older: > > Counter-Strike: > > > > > > Source, Warcraft III, Starcraft, Age of Empires III) working > with > > Wine. > > > > For > > > > > > the rest (or ones that were simply buggy) I threw my copy of > Cedega > > on > > > > there > > > > > > and pointed them to his Wine directories for the shortcuts, and > the > > > > games > > > > > > ran and performed fairly well. > > > > > > > > > > > > The cons were not really show-stoppers. A minor performance loss > and > > a > > > > > > slightly more complicated installation process. The things he > missed > > out > > > > on > > > > > > were tools like Daemon Tools and Daemonscript (which I combined > so > > > > nobody > > > > > > would have to pass around CDs)--not the games themselves. That > said, > > > > real > > > > > > Linux games hardly exist outside of Id Software's stuff, and the > > > > selection > > > > > > of Windows games guaranteed to work with Cedega/Wine is somewhat > > small, > > > > > > including only the biggest titles. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2007 9:43 PM, JT Moree < moreejt@pcxperience.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > > > > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judd Pickell wrote: > > > > > > > > Sorry, but this argument falls on its face when you consider > the > > > > cost > > > > > > > > of the console and quality of the game. When a console costs > as > > much > > > > > > > > as the upgrades to a PC, I hardly call that being better. > > Especially > > > > > > > > since the cost of the games is almost the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seem to miss my point entirely. I disagree with your > > arguments > > > > but > > > > > > > we're quite off topic I think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me recap: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris made a point about gaming on windows being better than > other > > PC > > > > > > > platforms. I did NOT disagree with this statement--in fact I > > agreed > > > > > > > with it. But I went a step further and made a point that > gaming > > on > > > > > > > Windows stinks compared to consoles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I then gave reasons why PC gaming (Windows, LInux, MAc) is > never > > as > > > > > > > simple and easy as a console. I am the one who gets calls > from > > > > friends > > > > > > > and family to help with their stupid PC problems. I"ll be > happy > > to > > > > > > > refer them to you if you disagree with my assessment. ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ended by saying people who want to play games should buy > > consoles > > > > (so > > > > > > > that they dont' call ME when they have problems.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You seemed to reply with something along the lines of: > consoles > > are > > > > > > > lower quality and more expensive to upgrade than PCs. Again, > I > > > > disagree > > > > > > > with this but it's OK to disagree with each other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then you proceeded to explain why LInux has few commercial > games. > > Yes > > > > I > > > > > > > agree with all of that and it only reinforces my point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think there's anything constructive to say here. I > > suppose > > > > you > > > > > > > can reply if I've misunderstood your response but is this > > discussion > > > > > > > serving any purpose? 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