Thanks guys. It is as I thought. Fortunately the 5gb /dev/sda4 only contains the Linux From Scratch stuff I played with last year and never finished. I do have good notes so can safely dump it. Actually, I was thinking to do a backup of what little I need to save and go back to just having the xp partition and then doing a clean load of ubuntu 7.10 before restoring. Big thing for me was to understand what was going on here though. thanks again! BTW, don't you guys sleep either?