I do remove the quiet but I also remove the splash. Interesting that I never even tried leaving the splash option. I just assumed that was for the splash graphic and that if I left it there I would not see the messages I want. BTW, I also add a vga=773 (I think that was the mode) and a verbose just to get the most information in case something breaks. I must admit I never experimented with the difference. -- The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. - George F. Will