Joshua,

I think we are on the same page, Joshua.

This plug-discuss list is friendly to job postings as long as they are
related to Linux/FS/OSS.  It is not, however, a job posting list.  I
don't think anyone could argue that we have too many job postings in
this list.  They are sparse and usually on topic.  If they ever become
too many we'll do something about it.

I agree that we don't want the quality of the information in this list,
job postings or otherwise, to go down.  I don't see this happening
either.  plug-discuss and the other PLUG mailing lists continue to be
among the most well-behaved and on topic I have ever used.

I saw neither spite nor malice in the exchanges of this thread.  I did
see that it could go in that direction.  Thus, I threw in my $0.02.  I
appreciate your continued contributions here, as well as Jason's and
everyone else's.

Alan

Joshua Zeidner wrote:
> Alan,
> 
>   Obviously, I have had some unsatisfactory business Jason in the
> past.   Of course, I don't want to deter anyone from posting job ads, or
> even working with Jason.  If Jason wants to do business, I do think it
> is his responsibility to do so in an upfront way.  Although many view
> job postings as positive in all respects, the regular abuse of a list
> for dubious employment opportunities is a good way to scare away all
> serious developers.  The 'craigslist effect' happens when readers have
> no way of distinguishing BS artists from sincere requests.  An
> interesting feature of craigslist is that there is no easy way to post
> back a response, and this has a way of fostering false information. 
> what kind of job market do we want here?  A place for people to do
> business...  or a sleazy pick up joint?
> 
>   In general though I am beginning to grow rather tired of running into
> these 1 man shows posing as multi-national corporations who think
> developers are some kind of cheap disposable commodity.  They seem to be
> some kind of vestige of the dot com boom.  Clearly, by the legacy of job
> posts that I pointed out, I am not the first or last person Jason has
> had a 'bad experience' with.  Its unfortunate that this situation had to
> turn into a confrontation, but all I did ask was that he provide his
> actual identity, and I don't think thats asking a lot.  And finally, I
> am not doing this out of some personal vendetta, but rather as a service
> to others like me who deserve to be warned of potentially costly and
> problematic situations.
> 
>   Any serious employer would post here despite the risk of someone like
> me posing questions in front of the group.
> 
>   Thanks Alan, I will respect your request not to develop this thread
> any further.  I hope you understand that my intentions here are based in
> neither spite or malice.  If we all want a functional place to
> communicate and do business, it takes work and input.
> 
>   Sincerely,
> 
>     Josh Zeidner