Well being one that has a Micro$oft Office class at school and therefore is forced to use Windows EVERY DAY at first period, I HATE Windows. I wish it would die. I hate the closed-sourceness, the viruses, the crazy money you have to spend on it, and how often I am forced to use it, including right now when I have been grounded from the only GOOD computer in the house--My laptop that has Ubuntu with Gnome, KDE, and Xfce installed on it. That said, I will use proprietary stuff if: 1. I know it's safe 2. It's absolutely necessary. 3. There's no (good) open source solution. Examples include Macromedia Flash and Java. And if I had an NVidia graphics card, I'd use the proprietary drivers too. The thing is, I want my system to run well. I, although I am a big open source freak, will use proprietary drivers/software if need be. Darrin Chandler wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2007 at 04:38:03PM -0700, Andrew Harris wrote: > gNewSense looks like a joke to me. It's just Ubuntu, but minus anything that's not under the GPL (or that's how I understand it to be anyway.). That's pretty much what it is, and it's not a joke. Having all this wonderful free software is great until you start mangling it with proprietary stuff. It seems ok now, but it WILL get worse. That's the normal way that freedoms are eroded - trading a little temporary convenience for essential freedoms (to paraphrase a much better quote). Recently on this list there was some fuss over the MS/Novell deal. In reality this isn't that much different that running those nifty nVidia drivers in FC5 or whatever. MS may be the biggest and baddest on the block, but they are merely the highest profile company trying to lock you in, tie your hands, and take away your freedoms. All the other companies like Adaptec and nVidia are the same way. This isn't conspiracy theory, it's just business on their part. That doesn't mean we have to accept it. So don't accept it. If what you're after is a no-cost Windows then forget the above. Except that in the end they'll have you paying again. If you care about actually owning your own data, and having actual control over the computer you supposedly own, then you should give a hoot about these issues. If you care about security then you should worry about these issues. -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG dwchandler@stilyagin.com | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation --------------------------------------------------- PLUG-discuss mailing list - PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change you mail settings: http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss